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You appear to have selected only questions from the "pedagogy" section of the test, which is only 30% of the questions. Pedagogy is also presumably taught as pa

You appear to have selected only questions from the "pedagogy" section of the test, which is only 30% of the questions. Pedagogy is also presumably taught as part of the teaching degree that the test-takers complete. Here is a link to some full practice tests: https://mathproficiencytest.ca/#/en/sample-questions-pre https://mathproficiencytest.ca/#/en/sample-questions-pre The math questions are incredibly simple, and I'm astonished that people planning to become teachers had the chutzpah to complain about having to do middle-school math, let alone challenge it in court. The fact that they won is shameful for everyone involved.

542458 5y ago
To pass one must get a 70% separately on both the pedagogy and non-pedagogy section of the test. It doesn't matter what percentage of the questions are pedagogy, since it's marked independently of the math content and must be passed independently. > Pedagogy is also presumably taught as part of the teaching degree that the test-takers complete. The above isn't general pedagogy, it's Ontario-curriculum-specific. Applicants are not required to have Ontario diplomas, and there were no prep materials available. This has the end result that the test was effectively testing whether you happened to be educated in Ontario.
- pseudo0 5y ago
  These are prospective teachers with teaching degrees, correct? It seems perfectly reasonable to test them on pedagogy. Arguably it could be done separately from the math test, but it is material they should know in order to be a teacher. > The above isn't general pedagogy, it's Ontario-curriculum-specific. Applicants are not required to have Ontario diplomas, and there were no prep materials available. This has the end result that the test was effectively testing whether you happened to be educated in Ontario. Responding to your edit... Wow. So someone can become an Ontario teacher with no knowledge of the Ontario curriculum? That seems like a bigger problem than testing prospective Ontario teachers on what they will be implementing in the classroom.
  - 542458 5y ago
    I don’t see why not requiring Ontario-specific training is a problem or even that surprising. Most companies don’t expect prospective employees to have comprehensive knowledge of the architecture of products that company makes before starting. Some level of training is usually a given. The expectation is more that you know the general concepts - which is why a teaching certificate (from Ontario’s self-regulatory body) is required.
- gunfighthacksaw 5y ago
  Once between jobs I considered putting my physics undergrad to use tutoring. I remember the Ontario math curriculum was something like a 120 page pdf, comprehensive but nothing alien to anyone with mathematical training. As a software dev I’ve read more than 100-200 pages worth of material to grok things; surely we can expect math teachers to spend the 5-10 hours it takes to ingest the curriculum/identify weaknesses to improve on.

542458 5y ago

To pass one must get a 70% separately on both the pedagogy and non-pedagogy section of the test. It doesn't matter what percentage of the questions are pedagogy, since it's marked independently of the math content and must be passed independently. > Pedagogy is also presumably taught as part of the teaching degree that the test-takers complete. The above isn't general pedagogy, it's Ontario-curriculum-specific. Applicants are not required to have Ontario diplomas, and there were no prep materials available. This has the end result that the test was effectively testing whether you happened to be educated in Ontario.

pseudo0 5y ago
These are prospective teachers with teaching degrees, correct? It seems perfectly reasonable to test them on pedagogy. Arguably it could be done separately from the math test, but it is material they should know in order to be a teacher. > The above isn't general pedagogy, it's Ontario-curriculum-specific. Applicants are not required to have Ontario diplomas, and there were no prep materials available. This has the end result that the test was effectively testing whether you happened to be educated in Ontario. Responding to your edit... Wow. So someone can become an Ontario teacher with no knowledge of the Ontario curriculum? That seems like a bigger problem than testing prospective Ontario teachers on what they will be implementing in the classroom.
- 542458 5y ago
  I don’t see why not requiring Ontario-specific training is a problem or even that surprising. Most companies don’t expect prospective employees to have comprehensive knowledge of the architecture of products that company makes before starting. Some level of training is usually a given. The expectation is more that you know the general concepts - which is why a teaching certificate (from Ontario’s self-regulatory body) is required.
gunfighthacksaw 5y ago
Once between jobs I considered putting my physics undergrad to use tutoring. I remember the Ontario math curriculum was something like a 120 page pdf, comprehensive but nothing alien to anyone with mathematical training. As a software dev I’ve read more than 100-200 pages worth of material to grok things; surely we can expect math teachers to spend the 5-10 hours it takes to ingest the curriculum/identify weaknesses to improve on.