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> This is also what turned me against free speech fundamentalism in the end. Every attempt at getting this addressed was shot down in the name of free speech an

> This is also what turned me against free speech fundamentalism in the end. Every attempt at getting this addressed was shot down in the name of free speech and anti-censorship. The solution is to put these vile pieces of sludge in prison forever, or execute them - not turn against liberty. This is a red herring for at least morally questionable people.

giraffe_lady 4y ago
If executing people fits with your conception of liberty I think we have very different understandings of liberty, and what "morally questionable" means.
- notch656a 4y ago
  - rubyist5eva 4y ago
    Hey man, bullets are pretty cheap.
- rubyist5eva 4y ago
  I have no objection whatsoever with executing people that torture our most vulnerable for sexual gratification. Liberty means the freedom to do what is right. Child exploitation isn’t even in an adjacent universe to that.
  - worik 4y ago
    > I have no objection whatsoever with executing people that torture our most vulnerable for sexual gratification. I have a problem with you executing people. There are plenty of hypothetical people whom we could agree deserve execution. The problem is: Who has the power? What else will they do with it? If the subjects of that power are kept alive then there is a chance to "put right" injustices, if not then not. That is the problem with execution as a "tool of justice"
  - unclebucknasty 4y ago
    >I have no objection whatsoever with executing people that... >Liberty means the freedom to do what is right. I understand the sentiment, but you do see how those two statements together are problematic?
    - rubyist5eva 4y ago
      No. For the same reason that using deadly force to defend yourself from an attacker is justified and also “right”. Of course you would cut off the second part of the sentence where I specifically reference people committing one of the most heinous crimes in order to make your “gotcha”. Perhaps trying to imply that I am not opposed to any and all uses of capital punishment when I am talking about a very specific crime. Frankly a pretty lazy attempt at building a straw man. Capital punishment should be reserved for the absolute worst among us. Exploiting children for sexual gratification is one of them. Child rapists get full due process at least.
msteffen 4y ago
> The solution is to put these vile pieces of sludge in prison forever, or execute them - not turn against liberty So, concretely, are you arguing that Reddit mods shouldn't have the power to shut down r/fatpeoplehate, but should have the power to permanently imprison or execute people?
- msteffen 4y ago
  Man this thread is taking me back to my digg.com days. If you're not willing to take the Internet flamebait from time to time, are you even alive...
- rubyist5eva 4y ago
  No what a ridiculous statement

giraffe_lady 4y ago

If executing people fits with your conception of liberty I think we have very different understandings of liberty, and what "morally questionable" means.

notch656a 4y ago
- rubyist5eva 4y ago
  Hey man, bullets are pretty cheap.
rubyist5eva 4y ago
I have no objection whatsoever with executing people that torture our most vulnerable for sexual gratification. Liberty means the freedom to do what is right. Child exploitation isn’t even in an adjacent universe to that.
- worik 4y ago
  > I have no objection whatsoever with executing people that torture our most vulnerable for sexual gratification. I have a problem with you executing people. There are plenty of hypothetical people whom we could agree deserve execution. The problem is: Who has the power? What else will they do with it? If the subjects of that power are kept alive then there is a chance to "put right" injustices, if not then not. That is the problem with execution as a "tool of justice"
- unclebucknasty 4y ago
  >I have no objection whatsoever with executing people that... >Liberty means the freedom to do what is right. I understand the sentiment, but you do see how those two statements together are problematic?
  - rubyist5eva 4y ago
    No. For the same reason that using deadly force to defend yourself from an attacker is justified and also “right”. Of course you would cut off the second part of the sentence where I specifically reference people committing one of the most heinous crimes in order to make your “gotcha”. Perhaps trying to imply that I am not opposed to any and all uses of capital punishment when I am talking about a very specific crime. Frankly a pretty lazy attempt at building a straw man. Capital punishment should be reserved for the absolute worst among us. Exploiting children for sexual gratification is one of them. Child rapists get full due process at least.

msteffen 4y ago

> The solution is to put these vile pieces of sludge in prison forever, or execute them - not turn against liberty So, concretely, are you arguing that Reddit mods shouldn't have the power to shut down r/fatpeoplehate, but should have the power to permanently imprison or execute people?

msteffen 4y ago
Man this thread is taking me back to my digg.com days. If you're not willing to take the Internet flamebait from time to time, are you even alive...
rubyist5eva 4y ago
No what a ridiculous statement