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Um do you want to try again at not defending it? My information is very out of date but I'm curious how you know how unrelated they were. My more-than-lay und
by giraffe_lady 5y ago
Um do you want to try again at not defending it?
My information is very out of date but I'm curious how you know how unrelated they were.
My more-than-lay understanding is that the trading didn't happen in the open. Users used questionable comments, line-toeing images, and "jailbait jokes" to find each other and then swapped in DMs or off-site entirely.
Reddits mods have always had a rich grapevine. In my time I never once heard of a sub getting banned that didn't have a months or years long reputation for turning a blind eye to that. Possibly that completely changed after I left, sure.
- newguynewphone 5y ago
- notch656a 5y agoYou can ban all speech and it would end the spread of these images altogether, at least to the extent the law can be policed. The ends don't justify the means.
- jakelazaroff 5y agoOkay, but we didn’t ban all speech, right? The collateral damage was mostly weird conspiracy theory subreddits and hate-based communities like r/fatpeoplehate. Given how it actually shook out, I think the ends absolutely justified the means.
- psyc 5y agoCriticisms of pragmatism don’t typically depend on failure to achieve the ends.
- ipaddr 5y agoUntil 'weird' and different becomes systemically shutting out minorities. People justify a lot of things they shouldn't
- jakelazaroff 5y agoIf that happens, I’ll change my tune. I’m much more concerned with actual harm that’s currently happening than theoretical harm that may not even come to pass.
- TimeBearingDown 5y agoTo be honest, I’m still quite bitter and resentful about losing the r/RightWingLGBT community. Vast majorities on a site like that are already self-censoring. The damage in terms of isolation and radicalization is already very real.
- ipaddr 5y agoYou won't be around but the system you endorsed will cause pain for future victims you haven't considered.
- shadowgovt 5y agoWhat assurances do you have that the system you endorse won't cause pain for future victims you haven't considered? If you're advocating a return to older internet status quo, I think we have solid evidence that it would cause pain.
- ipaddr 5y agoHis system causes pain for the present and future. It is a system we know and have rejected. Another system may be worse but accepting his system assures pain for all now and in the future.
- shadowgovt 5y ago> It is a system we know and have rejected. I think I need to know what definition you're writing from to have an opinion on that. Moderated public discourse is the rule, not the exception, in vast spaces of human communication. It's not perfect but usually good. In contrast, unfiltered bidirectional public communication can cause significant issues. It gave us 4chan and Reddit before the admins decided ad revenue was important to them.
- ceejayoz 5y agoThere's a cost/benefit analysis to be done. Some ends don't justify their means. Others do. Depends on the magnitude of the ends and the means.