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These are so good, it's breaking my brain a little. They're not just conceptually accurate, but to my eyes they're pleasing to look at from a purely artistic p
by tailspin2019 5y ago
These are so good, it's breaking my brain a little.
They're not just conceptually accurate, but to my eyes they're pleasing to look at from a purely artistic point of view. I'd put these on my wall.
I already take a fairly bullish position on the potential of AI, given a long enough timeframe, but it does feel like we're reaching a bit of a tipping point here.
It's starting to prod at the paradigms I hold in my head about what I think "art" is.
In a turing-syle blind test of these DALL-E artworks, I think most people would be unable to tell the AI generated art from that of human artists. And I imagine that it follows that the same will be the case for music in the near future too, and likely most other artistic endeavours eventually.
I like to write music. I respect the output of other musicians (my fellow "artists") and I am driven, by both intrinsic and extrinsic rewards to keep trying to get better at my "art". But when an AI can produce works that match or exceed my art (based on whatever the measures are that we already judge art by) - it prompts some interesting questions. Does it lower the subjective value of human-produced art by virtue of reducing scarcity, and increasing accessibility?
Of course, DALL-E is trained on the output of human artists. But art is already recursive in that respect - human artists themselves are trained on the output of other artists. So that's not so different...
I guess it's the same paradigm as mass production vs hand crafting. When we pick the cheaper, mass produced item, we lose out on some of the humanity and soul that's baked into hand-crafted goods. But history has shown that we'll gladly take the cheaper, more accessible, more predictable option in most cases.
The commoditisation of art.
When things are commoditised, I tend to think that the opportunity for the creation of value (by humans) tends to move up an abstraction level. As technology becomes commoditised at a certain level, then the orchestration and management of that technology becomes the new speciality where humans are useful and can create value. When that orchestration layer is commoditised, it's the next level up that we can turn their attention to.
So the new art maybe becomes meta-art. Perhaps human artistic endeavours become more about curation rather than creation?
Or will AI art never reach a sufficient level to be considered equal to, or better than human-produced art? We can hide behind the subjectivity of all this, but something like a blind identification test (AI vs Human) removes some of that subjectivity fairly easily...
- disqard 5y agoI thought you might like to know about "Experiments in Musical Intelligence" (aka "Emmy"), David Cope's creation, now "deceased": https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jul/11/david-cope-computer-composer https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jul/11/david-cop... "One day Cope pushed a button on Emmy, went out to get a sandwich and when he returned his workaholic creation had produced 5,000 original Bach chorales."
- tailspin2019 5y agoAwesome link. This bit seems particularly interesting: > "People tell me they don't hear soul in the music," he says. "When they do that, I pull out a page of notes and ask them to show me where the soul is. We like to think that what we hear is soul, but I think audience members put themselves down a lot in that respect. The feelings that we get from listening to music are something we produce, it's not there in the notes. It comes from emotional insight in each of us, the music is just the trigger." So presumably, we can find "soul" and meaning in computer produced art because a large part of the meaning that we derive from art comes from within us, not necessarily the artist. This is interesting to contemplate.
- BlueTemplar 5y ago> He realised that what made a composer properly understandable, properly "affecting", was in part the fact of mortality. Impressive how Asimov has figured this out a while ago (in the Bicentennial Man) ! Otherwise, why isn't he using a pseudonym ?!?
- awb 5y ago> human artists themselves are trained on the output of other artists Artists take inspiration from other places too like nature, imagination, dreams, etc. Every once in a while an artist like Picasso, Dali, Pollock, etc. come up with a new style that’s instantly distinguishable as unique from the artists that existed prior to them. Dall-E 2 is an amazing achievement, and could replace most unoriginal artists. If Dall-E 3 can produce novel artistic styles, that would transform art as we know it.