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This tweet provides important context: https://twitter.com/nickcammarata/status/1512119623315075081?s=21&t=HjWLSG-PqBC4XEPNIx-fDg https://twitter.com/nickcammar

This tweet provides important context: https://twitter.com/nickcammarata/status/1512119623315075081?s=21&t=HjWLSG-PqBC4XEPNIx-fDg https://twitter.com/nickcammarata/status/1512119623315075081... They weren’t just copying/pasting prompts there was human creativity involved as well

educaysean 4y ago
Ah, I wish this fact had been highlighted better. Not a criticism of the tweet author; it's just that twitter threads really aren't designed to convey context.
- curiousgal 4y ago
  I hate them with every part of my soul! It's so sad to see the internet has moved from people making blog posts to share interesting things to just spraying it on Twitter in batches for maximum interactions.
recuter 4y ago
Of course not. I'm no longer surprised just how eager people are to believe an "AI" will read their minds or has magical qualities and a mind of its own. Even on HN. Jiggle the imagination just a little bit, dangle some progress, and we're off to the races. This is "I'm feeling lucky" on google image search + style transfer + trial and error. If you think I am being dismissive try a few of these twitter bios as searches and see for yourselves. I guess it fits with the times we live in. Reward shallow plagarism. Outsource your mind. It isn't theft if you can automate it. Autotune for the deaf, Dall-E for the blind.
- campground 4y ago
  I tried what you suggested for a bunch of the twitter bios and found nothing except links back to this thread. I also reverse image searched a bunch of them to see if DALL-E was just kind of pasting together large chunks of images, but never found anything close. I do think you're being dismissive but please post any examples of what you mean. I'm a skeptic and have been waiting to find out that this is just a glorified parlor trick, but so far it seems like DALL-E is doing everything the authors claim, which is remarkable.
  - recuter 4y ago
    I don't want to be dismissive of Dall-E itself or its authors. Just the implications that this changes everything or how it is much more than it really is. https://twitter.com/nickcammarata/status/1512123067803344899/photo/2 https://twitter.com/nickcammarata/status/1512123067803344899... Prompt: "expressive painting of a man shining rays of justice and transparency on a blue bird twitter logo" You have to break the concepts up apart (which is one of the things Dall-E improved on). As such: "expressive blue bird" In google image search, type clipart, and I even get pill tags to further narrow it down to illustrations for animal paintings and so forth. Google's classifier knows the concept of a "blue bird" and expressionism too. https://www.google.com/search?q=expressive+blue+bird&tbm=isch&hl=en&chips=q:expressive+blue+bird,online_chips:art:n3312CtnDLY%3D,online_chips:illustration:dm7-npZClu4%3D https://www.google.com/search?q=expressive+blue+bird&tbm=isc... The same for "ray of light". In fact the top results there I get pngs of sun beams on a transparent background. Which is perfect. Neither the birds nor the rays of light in the pictures it produced are truly its own creations but lifted from bits of pictures in its training set. I bet you could find the exact bird from the second row online in many places for example. It just won't be blue or stylized. Composite those things together manually and add a style transfer you'll get similar results to DALL-E as that is what it is doing more or less.
    - joshcryer 4y ago
      I think your last line is what stands out more than anything. You've just described creating something without "compositing those things together manually." Note that in that example the "twitter bird logo" is actually expressed in 6 out of all of those images. Look for the small bird, that looks like the Twitter logo. It's there. It's doing the thing.
      - recuter 4y ago
        The prompt is actually "blue bird twitter logo". Nothing is expressed. Find yourself a blue bird in an expressionistic style, go to google image search and give it the url. Click on tools -> visually similar. Enjoy an endless supply of things to plagiarize. In the middle picture of the second row you can clearly see how several pre-existing images are sharply cut off before being re-blended.
- gfodor 4y ago
  A proposition for your consideration: what if you’re wrong?
  - recuter 4y ago
    What if you're in a cult? Two more papers down the line who knows what Dall-E 4 will be capable of. It is a step in the right direction that the image output is now "stable", which is what this is demonstrating. But it can't read your mind despite the eerie feeling you get, that is an illusion. Kismet in api form. The next steps is to open this black box up and actually make its internal pipeline tweak able so it can become a useful tool. It may end up an amazing super useful tool or a clipart plagiarisor/generator on steroids. You can't even use it yet and you're already so eager to believe.
    - gfodor 4y ago
      You don’t even know what I believe, but one thing is clear: you also haven’t used it yet, and are far more certain of its capabilities than I am. (I have, incidentally, had two of my personal requests generated by the kind folks at OpenAI, and I was impressed.)
      - recuter 4y ago
        I was responding to this: "They weren’t just copying/pasting prompts there was human creativity involved as well" I'm simply certain that whatever its capabilities they are short of mind reading. You'd be equally impressed if you asked me to perform a google image search. That does not mean that Dall-E is unimpressive or the results are fake. What I'm saying is that the hype and mysticism around this is unwarranted. Elsewhere in the thread somebody else wrote that we are on the cusp of it producing convincing fake footage from the Kennedy assassination from a single text prompt. The image output now being stable and pleasing to the eye is enough of a result even if it requires trial and error. You wouldn't lose your mind over a wallpaper generator even though no machine learning is necessary to produce infinite variations of interesting patterns. This thing is spewing out "art" and people are ascribing magical capabilities to it as if it taped a banana to a canvas. Anything is possible. Maybe Dall-E is capable of even more incredible things. Who knows where this all ends up. Sure. But not quite that much follows from what has been presented so far.
- andybak 4y ago
  I've coincidentally just been watching Rick and Morty and this really fit read in Rick's voice. Is yawning at everything astonishing not just exhausting? Everything is "just" made up of less impressive things. But is this really not worthy of a little wonderment?
  - girvo 4y ago
    Middle-brow dismissal of everything seems so exhausting. I find it much easier to be moderately impressed by things, personally!
    - recuter 4y ago
      It is more like uni-brow dismissal of the eagerly impressed rather than the impressive work in progress. It is very good to keep an open mind, just make sure your brain doesn't fall out.
- manigandham 4y ago
  Side note: Those last 3 lines would make fantastic lyrics
  - recuter 4y ago
    :) They call me the Hip-Hopapotamus My lyrics are bottomless
- fastball 4y ago
  I dunno, I really like the "happy sisyphus" one and I'm not seeing anything remotely as nice (or similar really) on Google Images[1]... [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=happy+sisyphus https://www.google.com/search?q=happy+sisyphus
habitue 4y ago
It is important context, but just to push back against people over-correcting on this, my guess is that the ones he rejected also looked approximately this good. I think the primary reason people are wowed by this thread isn't attributable mainly to the subtle effect of the cherry-picking he did, but in fact to the overall quality of any image generated by DALL-E 2.
- nwienert 4y ago
  Having worked with Nick extensively, take what he says with a grain of salt. He’s well known even by close friends to be a reality distorter, to put it softly.
  - recuter 4y ago
    If only James Randi was around. What a fantastic example of cold reading. Gather round, gather round, give me a text, any text at all and I will produce you an image of some kind. And you will call it "good" if it looks like anything at all. Because all art is subjective and your mind will work overtime to connect it back to the text you provided.
    - babyshake 4y ago
      Even if the text just serves as random entropy, it's alright for people to feel a subjective connection between the artwork and the text.
      - recuter 4y ago
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS1YYtQ_LLY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS1YYtQ_LLY
  - wll 4y ago
    Sir, this is a public discussion over a well-enough documented breakthrough with good-faith non-corporate actors on both sides of the original friend-oriented equation. There’s no practical nor epistemic need to hijack it as if we were all hanging out in the laundromat of your worldview.
Veedrac 4y ago
Now imagine if you can if the situation was reversed, where the AI was adding cyberpunk/oil/etc. to the front of the prompt and it was the human that was interpreting it and painting the many variations. How many people would then be defending the AI, that actually it wasn't just the human, the AI was playing a critical role in the creative process, ne'er to be replaced? I venture zero people would say that.
hemreldop 4y ago
It’s a guy not a group.

educaysean 4y ago

Ah, I wish this fact had been highlighted better. Not a criticism of the tweet author; it's just that twitter threads really aren't designed to convey context.

curiousgal 4y ago
I hate them with every part of my soul! It's so sad to see the internet has moved from people making blog posts to share interesting things to just spraying it on Twitter in batches for maximum interactions.

recuter 4y ago

Of course not. I'm no longer surprised just how eager people are to believe an "AI" will read their minds or has magical qualities and a mind of its own. Even on HN. Jiggle the imagination just a little bit, dangle some progress, and we're off to the races. This is "I'm feeling lucky" on google image search + style transfer + trial and error. If you think I am being dismissive try a few of these twitter bios as searches and see for yourselves. I guess it fits with the times we live in. Reward shallow plagarism. Outsource your mind. It isn't theft if you can automate it. Autotune for the deaf, Dall-E for the blind.

campground 4y ago
I tried what you suggested for a bunch of the twitter bios and found nothing except links back to this thread. I also reverse image searched a bunch of them to see if DALL-E was just kind of pasting together large chunks of images, but never found anything close. I do think you're being dismissive but please post any examples of what you mean. I'm a skeptic and have been waiting to find out that this is just a glorified parlor trick, but so far it seems like DALL-E is doing everything the authors claim, which is remarkable.
- recuter 4y ago
  I don't want to be dismissive of Dall-E itself or its authors. Just the implications that this changes everything or how it is much more than it really is. https://twitter.com/nickcammarata/status/1512123067803344899/photo/2 https://twitter.com/nickcammarata/status/1512123067803344899... Prompt: "expressive painting of a man shining rays of justice and transparency on a blue bird twitter logo" You have to break the concepts up apart (which is one of the things Dall-E improved on). As such: "expressive blue bird" In google image search, type clipart, and I even get pill tags to further narrow it down to illustrations for animal paintings and so forth. Google's classifier knows the concept of a "blue bird" and expressionism too. https://www.google.com/search?q=expressive+blue+bird&tbm=isch&hl=en&chips=q:expressive+blue+bird,online_chips:art:n3312CtnDLY%3D,online_chips:illustration:dm7-npZClu4%3D https://www.google.com/search?q=expressive+blue+bird&tbm=isc... The same for "ray of light". In fact the top results there I get pngs of sun beams on a transparent background. Which is perfect. Neither the birds nor the rays of light in the pictures it produced are truly its own creations but lifted from bits of pictures in its training set. I bet you could find the exact bird from the second row online in many places for example. It just won't be blue or stylized. Composite those things together manually and add a style transfer you'll get similar results to DALL-E as that is what it is doing more or less.
  - joshcryer 4y ago
    I think your last line is what stands out more than anything. You've just described creating something without "compositing those things together manually." Note that in that example the "twitter bird logo" is actually expressed in 6 out of all of those images. Look for the small bird, that looks like the Twitter logo. It's there. It's doing the thing.
    - recuter 4y ago
      The prompt is actually "blue bird twitter logo". Nothing is expressed. Find yourself a blue bird in an expressionistic style, go to google image search and give it the url. Click on tools -> visually similar. Enjoy an endless supply of things to plagiarize. In the middle picture of the second row you can clearly see how several pre-existing images are sharply cut off before being re-blended.
gfodor 4y ago
A proposition for your consideration: what if you’re wrong?
- recuter 4y ago
  What if you're in a cult? Two more papers down the line who knows what Dall-E 4 will be capable of. It is a step in the right direction that the image output is now "stable", which is what this is demonstrating. But it can't read your mind despite the eerie feeling you get, that is an illusion. Kismet in api form. The next steps is to open this black box up and actually make its internal pipeline tweak able so it can become a useful tool. It may end up an amazing super useful tool or a clipart plagiarisor/generator on steroids. You can't even use it yet and you're already so eager to believe.
  - gfodor 4y ago
    You don’t even know what I believe, but one thing is clear: you also haven’t used it yet, and are far more certain of its capabilities than I am. (I have, incidentally, had two of my personal requests generated by the kind folks at OpenAI, and I was impressed.)
    - recuter 4y ago
      I was responding to this: "They weren’t just copying/pasting prompts there was human creativity involved as well" I'm simply certain that whatever its capabilities they are short of mind reading. You'd be equally impressed if you asked me to perform a google image search. That does not mean that Dall-E is unimpressive or the results are fake. What I'm saying is that the hype and mysticism around this is unwarranted. Elsewhere in the thread somebody else wrote that we are on the cusp of it producing convincing fake footage from the Kennedy assassination from a single text prompt. The image output now being stable and pleasing to the eye is enough of a result even if it requires trial and error. You wouldn't lose your mind over a wallpaper generator even though no machine learning is necessary to produce infinite variations of interesting patterns. This thing is spewing out "art" and people are ascribing magical capabilities to it as if it taped a banana to a canvas. Anything is possible. Maybe Dall-E is capable of even more incredible things. Who knows where this all ends up. Sure. But not quite that much follows from what has been presented so far.
andybak 4y ago
I've coincidentally just been watching Rick and Morty and this really fit read in Rick's voice. Is yawning at everything astonishing not just exhausting? Everything is "just" made up of less impressive things. But is this really not worthy of a little wonderment?
- girvo 4y ago
  Middle-brow dismissal of everything seems so exhausting. I find it much easier to be moderately impressed by things, personally!
  - recuter 4y ago
    It is more like uni-brow dismissal of the eagerly impressed rather than the impressive work in progress. It is very good to keep an open mind, just make sure your brain doesn't fall out.
manigandham 4y ago
Side note: Those last 3 lines would make fantastic lyrics
- recuter 4y ago
  :) They call me the Hip-Hopapotamus My lyrics are bottomless
fastball 4y ago
I dunno, I really like the "happy sisyphus" one and I'm not seeing anything remotely as nice (or similar really) on Google Images[1]... [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=happy+sisyphus https://www.google.com/search?q=happy+sisyphus

habitue 4y ago

It is important context, but just to push back against people over-correcting on this, my guess is that the ones he rejected also looked approximately this good. I think the primary reason people are wowed by this thread isn't attributable mainly to the subtle effect of the cherry-picking he did, but in fact to the overall quality of any image generated by DALL-E 2.

nwienert 4y ago
Having worked with Nick extensively, take what he says with a grain of salt. He’s well known even by close friends to be a reality distorter, to put it softly.
- recuter 4y ago
  If only James Randi was around. What a fantastic example of cold reading. Gather round, gather round, give me a text, any text at all and I will produce you an image of some kind. And you will call it "good" if it looks like anything at all. Because all art is subjective and your mind will work overtime to connect it back to the text you provided.
  - babyshake 4y ago
    Even if the text just serves as random entropy, it's alright for people to feel a subjective connection between the artwork and the text.
    - recuter 4y ago
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS1YYtQ_LLY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS1YYtQ_LLY
- wll 4y ago
  Sir, this is a public discussion over a well-enough documented breakthrough with good-faith non-corporate actors on both sides of the original friend-oriented equation. There’s no practical nor epistemic need to hijack it as if we were all hanging out in the laundromat of your worldview.

Veedrac 4y ago

Now imagine if you can if the situation was reversed, where the AI was adding cyberpunk/oil/etc. to the front of the prompt and it was the human that was interpreting it and painting the many variations. How many people would then be defending the AI, that actually it wasn't just the human, the AI was playing a critical role in the creative process, ne'er to be replaced? I venture zero people would say that.

hemreldop 4y ago

It’s a guy not a group.