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It will be better! Giving every human the tools to make expressive works of art without having to train for years will be awesome for society! I'm playing wit

by cwkoss 5y ago

It will be better! Giving every human the tools to make expressive works of art without having to train for years will be awesome for society! I'm playing with some of the neanderthal-relatives of dall-e 2 and already have several that I kind of want to analog-paint copies of so I can hang em on my wall. I don't even think artists are going to be meaningfully hurt from this - in fact, I think this is going to increase demand for art, because now the 'patron' can participate in the composition process more meaningfully.

troyvit 5y ago
I hope you're right but the feeling I get is that it's going to increase the _supply_ of art until it becomes meaningless. For instance why should anybody paint an astronaut on a horse anymore? It was a great idea and now it's been done. In the near future when you look at art you won't know whether it was created directly by a human or by an AI. What will that do to its appreciation?
- cwkoss 5y ago
  Why is a human-painting of an astronaut on a horse valuable now? I view this as detangling composition from the mechanical skills of art production. Perhaps this will make a new type of art job - AI wrangler - whose job is collaborating with AI to get a good composition, then the composition can be handed over to someone with the mechanical skills to render it in the real world, if humans making the brush strokes is important. I'd imagine that if we gave these tools to a skilled painter to help in their compositional brainstorming process, they'd find many good ideas they'd like to incorporate into their works in a short period of time. But, I'm not a skilled painter, so could be wrong.
  - troyvit 5y ago
    That's a good point. A lot of what I read in sci-fi these days is the job of AI wrangler but the idea of using it as a rapid development platform for cool ideas is also super cool.
Jeff_Brown 5y ago
> increase demand for art Good point. Custom art used to be the realm of only royalty, and later only the rich, but soon anybody will be able to afford the fifty cents or whatever it is of computing power that it takes to execute their vague artistic instructions.
- cwkoss 5y ago
  Totally, Etsy has led an explosion of put you/your kid/your pet into a work of art type things (many artists create reusable templates, where the custom component can be plugged in, so help with scale). I foresee this trend accelerating as the tooling makes cost of producing this sort of thing cheaper.
Jeff_Brown 5y ago
> don't even think artists are going to be meaningfully hurt It might not reduce the number of artists, but it will surely change their composition (pun proudly intended). Only those flexible enough to adapt to the new landscape will be able to support themselves in the new AI art economy.
zimpenfish 5y ago
> already have several that I kind of want to analog-paint copies of so I can hang em on my wall. I've been doing that with VQGAN-CLIP with prompts of things like "line art", "watercolor", "linocut"[1], and "woodcut" - have got a stack of things waiting for some free time to render into the physical world. [1] "Dark Souls in the style of linocut" makes some really fascinating possibilities.
- cwkoss 5y ago
  Ah that's a cool idea. I've been saving a collection of images from dream by wombo and nightcafe around the same theme, and think I'm going to try to render them into a single cohesive acrylic painting. (though my mechanical abilities will probably leave me disappointed)
deltaonefour 5y ago
Apply this to everything. AI that takes over all possible jobs involving any form of creativity and intelligence. What are the economic consequences of such a society?

by cwkoss 5y ago

troyvit 5y ago

I hope you're right but the feeling I get is that it's going to increase the _supply_ of art until it becomes meaningless. For instance why should anybody paint an astronaut on a horse anymore? It was a great idea and now it's been done. In the near future when you look at art you won't know whether it was created directly by a human or by an AI. What will that do to its appreciation?

cwkoss 5y ago
Why is a human-painting of an astronaut on a horse valuable now? I view this as detangling composition from the mechanical skills of art production. Perhaps this will make a new type of art job - AI wrangler - whose job is collaborating with AI to get a good composition, then the composition can be handed over to someone with the mechanical skills to render it in the real world, if humans making the brush strokes is important. I'd imagine that if we gave these tools to a skilled painter to help in their compositional brainstorming process, they'd find many good ideas they'd like to incorporate into their works in a short period of time. But, I'm not a skilled painter, so could be wrong.
- troyvit 5y ago
  That's a good point. A lot of what I read in sci-fi these days is the job of AI wrangler but the idea of using it as a rapid development platform for cool ideas is also super cool.

Jeff_Brown 5y ago

> increase demand for art Good point. Custom art used to be the realm of only royalty, and later only the rich, but soon anybody will be able to afford the fifty cents or whatever it is of computing power that it takes to execute their vague artistic instructions.

cwkoss 5y ago
Totally, Etsy has led an explosion of put you/your kid/your pet into a work of art type things (many artists create reusable templates, where the custom component can be plugged in, so help with scale). I foresee this trend accelerating as the tooling makes cost of producing this sort of thing cheaper.

Jeff_Brown 5y ago

> don't even think artists are going to be meaningfully hurt It might not reduce the number of artists, but it will surely change their composition (pun proudly intended). Only those flexible enough to adapt to the new landscape will be able to support themselves in the new AI art economy.

zimpenfish 5y ago

> already have several that I kind of want to analog-paint copies of so I can hang em on my wall. I've been doing that with VQGAN-CLIP with prompts of things like "line art", "watercolor", "linocut"[1], and "woodcut" - have got a stack of things waiting for some free time to render into the physical world. [1] "Dark Souls in the style of linocut" makes some really fascinating possibilities.

cwkoss 5y ago
Ah that's a cool idea. I've been saving a collection of images from dream by wombo and nightcafe around the same theme, and think I'm going to try to render them into a single cohesive acrylic painting. (though my mechanical abilities will probably leave me disappointed)

deltaonefour 5y ago

Apply this to everything. AI that takes over all possible jobs involving any form of creativity and intelligence. What are the economic consequences of such a society?