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> Right, but this usually turns into the argument that we shouldn't add new capacity because then it would be used, and that's such a staggeringly stupid argum
by forgetfulness 5y ago
> Right, but this usually turns into the argument that we shouldn't add new capacity because then it would be used, and that's such a staggeringly stupid argument that I cannot comprehend the confusion of ideas that would lead someone to embrace it.
Well... I hope this explanation is soothing then.
It's about what the investment in more capacity is meant to accomplish.
Accommodating more cars? Sure, but why did you want to accommodate more cars?
To move more people from A to B, more comfortably.
Now, what happens when you create this capacity is that it gets used to the same point it did before you built it, until moving people in cars through roads becomes untenable due to congestion. By making it temporarily better, you put more vehicles on the road, made it more viable to move to the suburb, and allowed the problem to grow.
So, describing this phenomenon as an argument not to build more capacity for cars as it won't have the expected pay off in quality of life for people is important. It can and often is an either/or building more capacity for private cars or allocating that money to public transportation.
- jjoonathan 5y agoTrains have the exact same pathology, though: add more capacity and people will use it until they can't, and then they'll either stop or fund more. It's a social coordination pattern, not a car pattern. Scaling arguments do not have this problem.
- throw0101a 5y agoFor the same route you get get much more people moved. Like, ridiculously more: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Passenger_Capacity_of_different_Transport_Modes.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Passenger_Capacity_of_dif... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Route_capacity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Route_capacity > It's a social coordination pattern, not a car pattern. So making it easier for automobile transportation is throwing money at the symptom. Money and policy decisions should be focused on moving people around generally and not on cars specifically.