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I still remember the day, when the browser would show you a pop-up "Allow somesite.com to set a cookie? Yes - No"... Something like that (with a "remember this

by hooby 5y ago

I still remember the day, when the browser would show you a pop-up "Allow somesite.com to set a cookie? Yes - No"... Something like that (with a "remember this choice" checkbox) would be so much more economical, than making every single website implement it individually. When the browser does it, then websites also can't ignore it, cheat it, or use dark patterns to avoid it.

andrewaylett 5y ago
I use https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/i-dont-care-about-cookies/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/i-dont-care-a... with https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/cookie-autodelete/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/cookie-autode... to avoid seeing the banner then drop any cookies the site might have set anyway. Firefox ETP is also quite good at avoiding common trackers.
codazoda 5y ago
I don't remember this and probably should. Did this have a name? What browsers had this behavior?
- Nextgrid 5y ago
  Internet Explorer 6 (and prior versions presumably).
- hooby 5y ago
  Netscape. Well, at least some versions of it. In the browser settings you could switch the "accept cookies" behavior between "never" - "ask" - "always". I believe it was set to "always" by default? It's been a long time ago, so I'm bit fuzzy on the details.
  - hooby 5y ago
    Found it - it actually was an extra checkbox. see: https://www.fabrica.cz/fabrica/img/netscape.jpg https://www.fabrica.cz/fabrica/img/netscape.jpg
Nextgrid 5y ago
The big misconception is that the consent forms are only about cookies. They aren't - they are about data collection and processing in general, no matter the technical means. It could be cookies, but it could be IP addresses, browser fingerprinting, or information you manually entered for a specific purpose (delivery address to receive a package) and don't want to be reused for other purposes such as marketing or tracking. None of that can be communicated at the browser level unless you want to have a gigantic spec that encodes every possible use of personal data imaginable.
- hooby 5y ago
  You are right about consent forms - but pure cookie banners: "this site uses cookies - OK" do exist as well - or at least did exist for a time, mandated by a law predating the GDPR.

by hooby 5y ago

andrewaylett 5y ago

I use https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/i-dont-care-about-cookies/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/i-dont-care-a... with https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/cookie-autodelete/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/cookie-autode... to avoid seeing the banner then drop any cookies the site might have set anyway. Firefox ETP is also quite good at avoiding common trackers.

codazoda 5y ago

I don't remember this and probably should. Did this have a name? What browsers had this behavior?

Nextgrid 5y ago
Internet Explorer 6 (and prior versions presumably).
hooby 5y ago
Netscape. Well, at least some versions of it. In the browser settings you could switch the "accept cookies" behavior between "never" - "ask" - "always". I believe it was set to "always" by default? It's been a long time ago, so I'm bit fuzzy on the details.
- hooby 5y ago
  Found it - it actually was an extra checkbox. see: https://www.fabrica.cz/fabrica/img/netscape.jpg https://www.fabrica.cz/fabrica/img/netscape.jpg

Nextgrid 5y ago

The big misconception is that the consent forms are only about cookies. They aren't - they are about data collection and processing in general, no matter the technical means. It could be cookies, but it could be IP addresses, browser fingerprinting, or information you manually entered for a specific purpose (delivery address to receive a package) and don't want to be reused for other purposes such as marketing or tracking. None of that can be communicated at the browser level unless you want to have a gigantic spec that encodes every possible use of personal data imaginable.

hooby 5y ago
You are right about consent forms - but pure cookie banners: "this site uses cookies - OK" do exist as well - or at least did exist for a time, mandated by a law predating the GDPR.