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> Apple's app sandboxing and privacy protection means that 'Facebook for iPad' will not be able to mine as much user data as Facebook would like. Sandboxing do

> Apple's app sandboxing and privacy protection means that 'Facebook for iPad' will not be able to mine as much user data as Facebook would like. Sandboxing does prevent developers from accessing files that don't belong to their apps but developers still have unfettered access to users' calendars and address book. Facebook has already been known to grab users' address books from the iPhone version of the app.

Xuzz 15y ago
Only after explicitly agreeing to share the information with a pretty explicit and huge warning message: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4001/4352706085_5a6e467b50.jpg http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4001/4352706085_5a6e467b50.jp... Seriously, I am getting tired of these outright lies or unsubstantiated rumors being perpetutated against Facebook.
- Bud 15y ago
  As if one obligatory click-thru obviates any responsibility for what Facebook does. Please. Don't make me laugh. BTW, on the way back to your cubicle at Facebook, wave hi to Zuck for me!
  - Xuzz 15y ago
    I do not work at Facebook or even know a single person who does. I've never even talked to someone — including on the Internet — who works for Facebook. Your personal attack was incredibly uncalled for. Just because I do not feel Facebook is evil does not mean that they are paying me to say so. (As to your actual point: yes, it actually does. The claim I was refuting is that Facebook "steals" contact information on your device. Well, in fact, it doesn't. It makes you confirm that you are okay with sharing this information with Facebook. What else could they do? The only other thing I could think of is Facebook not offering this feature. They are doing quite a good job here making it clear what happens to your information if you share it with them and you have to explicitly give your okay.)
    - potatolicious 15y ago
      > "What else could they do? The only other thing I could think of is Facebook not offering this feature." "Your friend [Bob Smith] wants to use Facebook Mobile Sync on his phone. This would allow Facebook to see any information he has in his address book relating to you. You can [learn more about Facebook Mobile Sync here]." > "They are doing quite a good job here making it clear what happens to your information if you share it with them and you have to explicitly give your okay." There are two issues with this: - There is a social contract (at least, in Western countries, I cannot speak for this as a universal rule) where your contact information is private. This is why people ask "is it ok if I give Bob your number?". Facebook violates this fundamental assumption by allowing Bob to unilaterally upload all this private data with a simple button push, without clearing it with anyone. - The fact that we had viral outrage when people's private numbers started showing up on accounts seems to suggest that they have not explained the use of this information sufficiently. If people are quite clear about what happens to this information, there would have been little cause for outrage. That prompt doesn't really make clear what information Facebook will roll into its databases, nor does it make clear in what way it is exposed. The only thing users are clear about when they click through that prompt is that it means their Facebook friends' numbers will show up in their contact list.
      - Xuzz 15y ago
        You do realize, on iOS, that most contact info on the device is synced with either Google, or (in iOS 5) iCloud? Facebook is not making this information public, neither are those services. And how can they ask every person in your contacts if they approve: even incorrectly assuming all of them have an account on Facebook, you would still need to upload that information for those accounts to be linked and the request messages to be sent. And that's invading the privacy of the user's address book: they are now sharing that someone is in their address book, even if they didn't want that person to know. Finally, it does say exactly what is uploaded (which is much better, even, than iCloud or Google's sync: seriously, how can you argue that Facebook's contact sync is so awful and ignore Apple and Google's services?): emails, phone numbers, and names (I may be forgetting some here).
- smackfu 15y ago
  Of course, that warning is from the Facebook app. The above comment is correct that there is no fine-grained security in iOS for user data (except location info). If Apple approves an app and you install it, you are trusting it will much of the data on your phone.
- potatolicious 15y ago
  > "Please make sure your friends are comfortable with any use you make of their information." All 425 of my friends? And how, pray tell, did you expect people do go about doing this? Simply putting up a simple click-through disclaimer is poor moral defense. That message is incredibly disingenuous, and I do not believe whoever launched it believed for one fraction of a second that users will actually go out and seek their friends' permissions to activate the feature. Facebook expected people to just tap merrily through, and well, people did.

Xuzz 15y ago

Only after explicitly agreeing to share the information with a pretty explicit and huge warning message: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4001/4352706085_5a6e467b50.jpg http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4001/4352706085_5a6e467b50.jp... Seriously, I am getting tired of these outright lies or unsubstantiated rumors being perpetutated against Facebook.

Bud 15y ago
As if one obligatory click-thru obviates any responsibility for what Facebook does. Please. Don't make me laugh. BTW, on the way back to your cubicle at Facebook, wave hi to Zuck for me!
- Xuzz 15y ago
  I do not work at Facebook or even know a single person who does. I've never even talked to someone — including on the Internet — who works for Facebook. Your personal attack was incredibly uncalled for. Just because I do not feel Facebook is evil does not mean that they are paying me to say so. (As to your actual point: yes, it actually does. The claim I was refuting is that Facebook "steals" contact information on your device. Well, in fact, it doesn't. It makes you confirm that you are okay with sharing this information with Facebook. What else could they do? The only other thing I could think of is Facebook not offering this feature. They are doing quite a good job here making it clear what happens to your information if you share it with them and you have to explicitly give your okay.)
  - potatolicious 15y ago
    > "What else could they do? The only other thing I could think of is Facebook not offering this feature." "Your friend [Bob Smith] wants to use Facebook Mobile Sync on his phone. This would allow Facebook to see any information he has in his address book relating to you. You can [learn more about Facebook Mobile Sync here]." > "They are doing quite a good job here making it clear what happens to your information if you share it with them and you have to explicitly give your okay." There are two issues with this: - There is a social contract (at least, in Western countries, I cannot speak for this as a universal rule) where your contact information is private. This is why people ask "is it ok if I give Bob your number?". Facebook violates this fundamental assumption by allowing Bob to unilaterally upload all this private data with a simple button push, without clearing it with anyone. - The fact that we had viral outrage when people's private numbers started showing up on accounts seems to suggest that they have not explained the use of this information sufficiently. If people are quite clear about what happens to this information, there would have been little cause for outrage. That prompt doesn't really make clear what information Facebook will roll into its databases, nor does it make clear in what way it is exposed. The only thing users are clear about when they click through that prompt is that it means their Facebook friends' numbers will show up in their contact list.
    - Xuzz 15y ago
      You do realize, on iOS, that most contact info on the device is synced with either Google, or (in iOS 5) iCloud? Facebook is not making this information public, neither are those services. And how can they ask every person in your contacts if they approve: even incorrectly assuming all of them have an account on Facebook, you would still need to upload that information for those accounts to be linked and the request messages to be sent. And that's invading the privacy of the user's address book: they are now sharing that someone is in their address book, even if they didn't want that person to know. Finally, it does say exactly what is uploaded (which is much better, even, than iCloud or Google's sync: seriously, how can you argue that Facebook's contact sync is so awful and ignore Apple and Google's services?): emails, phone numbers, and names (I may be forgetting some here).
smackfu 15y ago
Of course, that warning is from the Facebook app. The above comment is correct that there is no fine-grained security in iOS for user data (except location info). If Apple approves an app and you install it, you are trusting it will much of the data on your phone.
potatolicious 15y ago
> "Please make sure your friends are comfortable with any use you make of their information." All 425 of my friends? And how, pray tell, did you expect people do go about doing this? Simply putting up a simple click-through disclaimer is poor moral defense. That message is incredibly disingenuous, and I do not believe whoever launched it believed for one fraction of a second that users will actually go out and seek their friends' permissions to activate the feature. Facebook expected people to just tap merrily through, and well, people did.