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If I told a person in a war zone there was a planetary crisis that would guarantee the death of the children or grandchildren, I don't have a doubt in the world

If I told a person in a war zone there was a planetary crisis that would guarantee the death of the children or grandchildren, I don't have a doubt in the world they would care about it. Just because someone living in danger or poverty doesn't make them a fool or a coward.

bmmayer1 5y ago
I was in Ukraine yesterday. That is 100% untrue. When you're in a war zone, even if you're in the country but far from the action, the only thing you can think about is your immediate survival and the survival of your friends and family. Literally nothing else matters.
- throwaway5752 5y ago
  Thanks for editing your comment for additional clarity. There isn't much one can do about anything if they survive until the next day, but that does not mean they don't care about non-immediate concerns. Flight 571 survivors were not pro-cannibalism, they did what they had to in order to survive in terrible circumstances. People in poverty and conflict definitely still care about their familys' futures.
  - janto 5y ago
    A family in conflict might not have a future if we "only talk about 'climate crisis'".
  - sofixa 5y ago
    > Flight 571 TIL. That was a terrifying read..
- gr8tnwz 5y ago
  It’s funny how intensity triggers our anxiety like that. Triggers a disposition to ignore the future for the moment. I wonder if western propaganda and hype generation for technology, quarterly gains, the latest stuff! could be leveraged intentionally to distract any human then given our shared biology. That’s a rhetorical point since I know our biology is intentionally used against us like that by industry because marketing and PR execs have explained how it is just so they seek to keep our inner monologues flush with their phrases. There’s plenty of new perspectives and applications of your agency available. Why not put yourself to them rather than demand others change theirs? No? Going to sit at screen and PR others into action? Typical rich westerner; externalizing the change they want to see in the world.
j4yav 5y ago
I'm sure they would care in an abstract sense. Probably they would not agree that nobody should be talking about the suffering they are going through. I have friends and family in Ukraine right now, and I've not heard anyone say anything remotely like they wished people were focusing on the climate instead.
usgroup 5y ago
Sir/madam I think you might need to do some serious re-calibration.
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evocatus 5y ago
- hereforphone 5y ago
  - evocatus 5y ago
    Sounds like you are the one denying racism.
bombcar 5y ago
Given how absolutely hard it is to get people to evacuate in front of an obviously on-coming disaster such as a flood or hurricane, I think your view of people is naive at best.
andi999 5y ago
Any (scientific) source that climate change will guarantee the death of the children or grandchildren?
janto 5y ago
As someone living in the third world let me assure you those living in poverty have more pressing challenges for themselves and their children. They are fighting raw nature daily for survival and your attempt to redirect attention away from, say, business and work creation to your "end of the world (maybe)" fears is not going to go over well. What I don't understand is your lack of doubt that they would (or should) care. The conviction is something analogous to religion.

bmmayer1 5y ago

I was in Ukraine yesterday. That is 100% untrue. When you're in a war zone, even if you're in the country but far from the action, the only thing you can think about is your immediate survival and the survival of your friends and family. Literally nothing else matters.

throwaway5752 5y ago
Thanks for editing your comment for additional clarity. There isn't much one can do about anything if they survive until the next day, but that does not mean they don't care about non-immediate concerns. Flight 571 survivors were not pro-cannibalism, they did what they had to in order to survive in terrible circumstances. People in poverty and conflict definitely still care about their familys' futures.
- janto 5y ago
  A family in conflict might not have a future if we "only talk about 'climate crisis'".
- sofixa 5y ago
  > Flight 571 TIL. That was a terrifying read..
gr8tnwz 5y ago
It’s funny how intensity triggers our anxiety like that. Triggers a disposition to ignore the future for the moment. I wonder if western propaganda and hype generation for technology, quarterly gains, the latest stuff! could be leveraged intentionally to distract any human then given our shared biology. That’s a rhetorical point since I know our biology is intentionally used against us like that by industry because marketing and PR execs have explained how it is just so they seek to keep our inner monologues flush with their phrases. There’s plenty of new perspectives and applications of your agency available. Why not put yourself to them rather than demand others change theirs? No? Going to sit at screen and PR others into action? Typical rich westerner; externalizing the change they want to see in the world.

j4yav 5y ago

I'm sure they would care in an abstract sense. Probably they would not agree that nobody should be talking about the suffering they are going through. I have friends and family in Ukraine right now, and I've not heard anyone say anything remotely like they wished people were focusing on the climate instead.

usgroup 5y ago

Sir/madam I think you might need to do some serious re-calibration.

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evocatus 5y ago

hereforphone 5y ago
- evocatus 5y ago
  Sounds like you are the one denying racism.

bombcar 5y ago

Given how absolutely hard it is to get people to evacuate in front of an obviously on-coming disaster such as a flood or hurricane, I think your view of people is naive at best.

andi999 5y ago

Any (scientific) source that climate change will guarantee the death of the children or grandchildren?

janto 5y ago

As someone living in the third world let me assure you those living in poverty have more pressing challenges for themselves and their children. They are fighting raw nature daily for survival and your attempt to redirect attention away from, say, business and work creation to your "end of the world (maybe)" fears is not going to go over well. What I don't understand is your lack of doubt that they would (or should) care. The conviction is something analogous to religion.