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SoMa has been this bad for a while, so any new company moving in can read headlines and know what they’re getting themselves into. Looking at Krakens job postin

by teegaw 4y ago

SoMa has been this bad for a while, so any new company moving in can read headlines and know what they’re getting themselves into. Looking at Krakens job postings they’ve adapted the remote first work culture. Sounds like Powell is just trying to make some noise on his way out of town to attract attention to his company…

thatfrenchguy 4y ago
Yeah you'd have to be an idiot to not know about SOMA's issues. Most of San Francisco is infinitely safer than Paris for example.
- kurthr 4y ago
  It was sketchy 25 years ago... things have moved a few blocks here or there. "I'm shocked to find gambling in this establishment!"
- browningstreet 4y ago
  SOMA's issues were already rampant 10+ years ago when I had an office at 9th and Howard, and Twitter was moving in. That it's gotten so much worse is, indeed, a strike against the city. Plenty of the rest of town is just fine.. but out of towners may not understand that because there are shocking displays all over. And, frankly, there are definitely parts of town I won't park on the street anymore.
  - hackernewds 4y ago
    The government decided to convert a high value oceanfront property surrounded by residential apartments into a homeless shelter in SOMA - with access to spouse and pet care. The residents protested against it, got accused of NIMBYism, and were forced upon it anyways by admins that live predominantly on the West side. The whole neighborhood cannot be parked in, and right next week had multiple cases of assault that went uninvestigated.
- williamscales 4y ago
  I’d put them on the same level…I feel equally unsafe in the sketch parts of Paris and SF. I speak both French and English fwiw.
ModernMech 4y ago
Right? I remember years ago when I lived in SF, body parts turned up in suitcases outside of Twitter's offices. Why is this a surprise that cities are dangerous places? https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/01/29/san-francisco-suitcase-body-parts-twitter-headquarters/22511833/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/01/29/san-francisco... edit: I'm sorry everyone is taking my statement to mean that all cities are places where out of control crime happens (which I think is making a presumption about crime in SF). If you believe your city is a safe place or safer than SF great. But that doesn't make your city not a place where plenty of danger is to be found.
- alanh 4y ago
  Your amended comment now boils down to a tautology: "Danger varies but is never zero." Yeah, welcome to Planet Earth. Your original comment was a straw-man attempt to dismiss all criticism of SF's crime as risible naiveté. So what are you actually saying?
  - ModernMech 4y ago
    > Your original comment was a straw-man attempt to dismiss all criticism of SF's crime as risible naiveté. So what are you actually saying? Talk about a straw man! I didn't dismiss all criticisms of SF's crime (where did I do so?), I dismissed this specific criticism of SF's crime, pointing at their risible naivete for seemingly completely disregarding the history of violence in the neighborhood that they moved into. If body parts had been found in suitcases next door, and you still choose to move in, you can't cite crime as a reason you feel the neighborhood has gone to hell. All I was really doing was agreeing with the parent and pointing out the general tone of the neighborhood. So sorry I offended everyone with my quip.
- baq 4y ago
  Not all cities are… things like that don’t happen in my city
  - ModernMech 4y ago
    No one has ever been brutally murdered in your city? I'd love to know the name...
awb 4y ago
Here are some crime stats for the top 100 US cities from 2019: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities... SF had similar crime rates to Miami, Corpus Cristi, TX, Mesa, AZ, Austin, TX and Chesapeake, VA. And about 1/3 the crime rate of the worst cities: Detroit, Baltimore, St. Louis and Memphis. Of course, individual neighborhoods and streets might be highly variable. But as far as the 100 biggest cities go, SF seems slightly worse than average. I counted 38 cities with worse crime rates and 4 that didn’t fully report. So putting it somewhere around 39th or 43rd on the highest crime rates for the 100 biggest cities.
- kube-system 4y ago
  The UCR is not really great data for ranking cities. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/caution-against-ranking https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-... There are unquestionably different attitudes towards crime, enforcement, and reporting when comparing SF to other cities.
  - awb 4y ago
    Good points. I don’t know of anyone has done the kind of deep analysis they’re advocating for though. As a broad brush, I still think it’s fair to say in 2019 SF was around the middle of the pack for the top 100 cities in terms of reported crime per 100k known people.
- alanh 4y ago
  Everyone knows that crime stats are very misleading because 1) The DA is simply not prosecuting lots of crime, and downgrading many prosecutions (felonies prosecuted as misdemeanors or not at all), and 2) Due to above and a general perception that most crimes aren’t prosecuted, dramatically fewer reports are filed at all
  - awb 4y ago
    What’s a better metric? Anecdata and eye witness reporting can be misleading too.
shmatt 4y ago
Sounds like they're trying to find a legal loophole to break a very expensive 10 year lease

by teegaw 4y ago

thatfrenchguy 4y ago

Yeah you'd have to be an idiot to not know about SOMA's issues. Most of San Francisco is infinitely safer than Paris for example.

kurthr 4y ago
It was sketchy 25 years ago... things have moved a few blocks here or there. "I'm shocked to find gambling in this establishment!"
browningstreet 4y ago
SOMA's issues were already rampant 10+ years ago when I had an office at 9th and Howard, and Twitter was moving in. That it's gotten so much worse is, indeed, a strike against the city. Plenty of the rest of town is just fine.. but out of towners may not understand that because there are shocking displays all over. And, frankly, there are definitely parts of town I won't park on the street anymore.
- hackernewds 4y ago
  The government decided to convert a high value oceanfront property surrounded by residential apartments into a homeless shelter in SOMA - with access to spouse and pet care. The residents protested against it, got accused of NIMBYism, and were forced upon it anyways by admins that live predominantly on the West side. The whole neighborhood cannot be parked in, and right next week had multiple cases of assault that went uninvestigated.
williamscales 4y ago
I’d put them on the same level…I feel equally unsafe in the sketch parts of Paris and SF. I speak both French and English fwiw.

ModernMech 4y ago

Right? I remember years ago when I lived in SF, body parts turned up in suitcases outside of Twitter's offices. Why is this a surprise that cities are dangerous places? https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/01/29/san-francisco-suitcase-body-parts-twitter-headquarters/22511833/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/01/29/san-francisco... edit: I'm sorry everyone is taking my statement to mean that all cities are places where out of control crime happens (which I think is making a presumption about crime in SF). If you believe your city is a safe place or safer than SF great. But that doesn't make your city not a place where plenty of danger is to be found.

alanh 4y ago
Your amended comment now boils down to a tautology: "Danger varies but is never zero." Yeah, welcome to Planet Earth. Your original comment was a straw-man attempt to dismiss all criticism of SF's crime as risible naiveté. So what are you actually saying?
- ModernMech 4y ago
  > Your original comment was a straw-man attempt to dismiss all criticism of SF's crime as risible naiveté. So what are you actually saying? Talk about a straw man! I didn't dismiss all criticisms of SF's crime (where did I do so?), I dismissed this specific criticism of SF's crime, pointing at their risible naivete for seemingly completely disregarding the history of violence in the neighborhood that they moved into. If body parts had been found in suitcases next door, and you still choose to move in, you can't cite crime as a reason you feel the neighborhood has gone to hell. All I was really doing was agreeing with the parent and pointing out the general tone of the neighborhood. So sorry I offended everyone with my quip.
baq 4y ago
Not all cities are… things like that don’t happen in my city
- ModernMech 4y ago
  No one has ever been brutally murdered in your city? I'd love to know the name...

awb 4y ago

Here are some crime stats for the top 100 US cities from 2019: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities... SF had similar crime rates to Miami, Corpus Cristi, TX, Mesa, AZ, Austin, TX and Chesapeake, VA. And about 1/3 the crime rate of the worst cities: Detroit, Baltimore, St. Louis and Memphis. Of course, individual neighborhoods and streets might be highly variable. But as far as the 100 biggest cities go, SF seems slightly worse than average. I counted 38 cities with worse crime rates and 4 that didn’t fully report. So putting it somewhere around 39th or 43rd on the highest crime rates for the 100 biggest cities.

kube-system 4y ago
The UCR is not really great data for ranking cities. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/caution-against-ranking https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-... There are unquestionably different attitudes towards crime, enforcement, and reporting when comparing SF to other cities.
- awb 4y ago
  Good points. I don’t know of anyone has done the kind of deep analysis they’re advocating for though. As a broad brush, I still think it’s fair to say in 2019 SF was around the middle of the pack for the top 100 cities in terms of reported crime per 100k known people.
alanh 4y ago
Everyone knows that crime stats are very misleading because 1) The DA is simply not prosecuting lots of crime, and downgrading many prosecutions (felonies prosecuted as misdemeanors or not at all), and 2) Due to above and a general perception that most crimes aren’t prosecuted, dramatically fewer reports are filed at all
- awb 4y ago
  What’s a better metric? Anecdata and eye witness reporting can be misleading too.

shmatt 4y ago

Sounds like they're trying to find a legal loophole to break a very expensive 10 year lease