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Please be careful: any person is owed human rights, any person is innocent until proven guilty, any cornered beast is more dangerous than one that knows it has

Please be careful: any person is owed human rights, any person is innocent until proven guilty, any cornered beast is more dangerous than one that knows it has still a chance of redemption.

trhway 5y ago
>any person is owed human rights, any person is innocent until proven guilty i completely agree. According to Geneva convention a person not covered by POW status should go through the criminal system of the place. My point is that Russians forces in Ukraine aren't protected as POW, and thus they are subject to criminal prosecution. And if it were up to me they would be put on criminal trial for those war crimes and crimes against humanity. >any cornered beast is more dangerous than one that knows it has still a chance of redemption. Not than it comes to a Nazism beast. It can't become more dangerous than it already is, and there is no chance of redemption. That is why we had 1945 in Berlin. And i don't see any way other than similar scenario of cornering and squashing the Russian Nazism all the way in Moscow.
- OrvalWintermute 5y ago
  > My point is that Russians forces in Ukraine aren't protected as POW, and thus they are subject to criminal prosecution They carry arms openly, and have a uniform as part of a country's armed forces. They have military ID cards which identify them, they work for superior officers, and they conduct operations. You might want to revisit the actual text of the different versions of the Geneva Conventions, because your inaccurate text begs correction. Here is a copy-paste from The International Red Cross > (1) Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict, as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces. > (2) Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfil the following conditions: > (a) that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates; > (b) that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance; > (c) that of carrying arms openly; > (d) that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war. > (3) Members of regular armed forces who profess allegiance to a Government or an authority not recognized by the Detaining Power. > (4) Persons who accompany the armed forces without actually being members thereof, such as civil members of military aircraft crews, war correspondents, supply contractors, members of labour units or of services responsible for the welfare of the armed forces, provided that they have received authorization from the armed forces which they accompany. > (5) Members of crews, including masters, pilots and apprentices, of the merchant marine and the crews of civil aircraft of the Parties to the conflict, who do not benefit by more favourable treatment under any other provisions in international law. > (6) Inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy, spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war. As someone with some familiarization with the Law of War, I'd say both Ukrainian combatants in the AFU, and the Russian Forces and their allies in the Russian Army, and DPR, and LPR, are all armed forces that are party to a conflict and deserving of protection. You always want to err on the side of granting protections, for legal protection, and also, to prevent you yourself from committing war crimes, becoming a war criminal...
  - trhway 5y ago
    POW status doesn't shield from prosecution for war crimes and crimes against humanity. So, imagine what you come up upon enemy soldiers who have committed a war crime. Even if these soldiers are otherwise eligible for POW status, you aren't going to give them it, and instead you're going to arrest and put these soldiers into the war crimes prosecution/punishment process. As genocide and ethnic cleansing are the officially declared major goals of the war, anybody participating in any way on Russian side is immediately guilty, just by mere fact of participation in the war, of those crimes. As a result any Russian soldier is subject to criminal prosecution the moment they captured. Some situations seem to be even more straightforward: >[2] https://rumble.com/v104l5t-ukrainians-kill-captured-russian-soldiers-in-outskirts-of-kiev.html https://rumble.com/v104l5t-ukrainians-kill-captured-russian-... In the video the Ukrainians say "marauders" about those Russians, and the Russian armored carrier in the video has various civilian property loaded on it (and the marauding by Russians is very widespread). Officially marauding in Ukraine right now is a war crime punishable by prison, while on practice in various regions the regional administration has declared it as punishable by shooting on the spot.

Please be careful: any person is owed human rights, any person is innocent until proven guilty, any cornered beast is more dangerous than one that knows it has still a chance of redemption.

trhway 5y ago

>any person is owed human rights, any person is innocent until proven guilty i completely agree. According to Geneva convention a person not covered by POW status should go through the criminal system of the place. My point is that Russians forces in Ukraine aren't protected as POW, and thus they are subject to criminal prosecution. And if it were up to me they would be put on criminal trial for those war crimes and crimes against humanity. >any cornered beast is more dangerous than one that knows it has still a chance of redemption. Not than it comes to a Nazism beast. It can't become more dangerous than it already is, and there is no chance of redemption. That is why we had 1945 in Berlin. And i don't see any way other than similar scenario of cornering and squashing the Russian Nazism all the way in Moscow.

OrvalWintermute 5y ago
> My point is that Russians forces in Ukraine aren't protected as POW, and thus they are subject to criminal prosecution They carry arms openly, and have a uniform as part of a country's armed forces. They have military ID cards which identify them, they work for superior officers, and they conduct operations. You might want to revisit the actual text of the different versions of the Geneva Conventions, because your inaccurate text begs correction. Here is a copy-paste from The International Red Cross > (1) Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict, as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces. > (2) Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfil the following conditions: > (a) that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates; > (b) that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance; > (c) that of carrying arms openly; > (d) that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war. > (3) Members of regular armed forces who profess allegiance to a Government or an authority not recognized by the Detaining Power. > (4) Persons who accompany the armed forces without actually being members thereof, such as civil members of military aircraft crews, war correspondents, supply contractors, members of labour units or of services responsible for the welfare of the armed forces, provided that they have received authorization from the armed forces which they accompany. > (5) Members of crews, including masters, pilots and apprentices, of the merchant marine and the crews of civil aircraft of the Parties to the conflict, who do not benefit by more favourable treatment under any other provisions in international law. > (6) Inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy, spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war. As someone with some familiarization with the Law of War, I'd say both Ukrainian combatants in the AFU, and the Russian Forces and their allies in the Russian Army, and DPR, and LPR, are all armed forces that are party to a conflict and deserving of protection. You always want to err on the side of granting protections, for legal protection, and also, to prevent you yourself from committing war crimes, becoming a war criminal...
- trhway 5y ago
  POW status doesn't shield from prosecution for war crimes and crimes against humanity. So, imagine what you come up upon enemy soldiers who have committed a war crime. Even if these soldiers are otherwise eligible for POW status, you aren't going to give them it, and instead you're going to arrest and put these soldiers into the war crimes prosecution/punishment process. As genocide and ethnic cleansing are the officially declared major goals of the war, anybody participating in any way on Russian side is immediately guilty, just by mere fact of participation in the war, of those crimes. As a result any Russian soldier is subject to criminal prosecution the moment they captured. Some situations seem to be even more straightforward: >[2] https://rumble.com/v104l5t-ukrainians-kill-captured-russian-soldiers-in-outskirts-of-kiev.html https://rumble.com/v104l5t-ukrainians-kill-captured-russian-... In the video the Ukrainians say "marauders" about those Russians, and the Russian armored carrier in the video has various civilian property loaded on it (and the marauding by Russians is very widespread). Officially marauding in Ukraine right now is a war crime punishable by prison, while on practice in various regions the regional administration has declared it as punishable by shooting on the spot.