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> Yes, one group of people got rich and now a different group of have-nots are mad at the people left holding the land. Very much so and it probably stings eve

> Yes, one group of people got rich and now a different group of have-nots are mad at the people left holding the land. Very much so and it probably stings even more for that have-not group, that its people from what they perceive to be of "third world origin". There's just no helping such people, instead of seeking ways to better themselves, they choose to live in a state of angst and anger and expect the government to somehow fix it.

arrosenberg 5y ago
You seem pretty obsessed with xenophobia, but its really just easier to target wealthy foreigners than wealthy domestics. This is a class and land use issue - the have nots don’t need to “better themselves” (nor do they need the implied patrimony in that statement), they need homes on affordable mortgages. The government can do that! We know they can, because they have before, you just need the land. Oh look, some unoccupied mansions…
- tomatowurst 5y ago
  when you aren't affected by it, you are more likely to discount it. the people aren't going after iranians or russian foreigners. they are literally singling out one group by race in Vancouver. Again you don't live here and you don't fall in the category so you won't understand how sensitive this issue is here.
  - arrosenberg 5y ago
    I dunno, it kind of seems like I do. My city has the same land use issues, without the alleged xenophobia and we still target foreign wealth way more than domestic. Its just easier.
    - tomatowurst 5y ago
      > I dunno, it kind of seems like I do how?
      - arrosenberg 5y ago
        A common fallacy when you don't have a good argument is to handwave things away as "you just don't understand". I've already made my arguments very clearly - there maybe a xenophobia issue in Vancouver, but average people didn't wake up and decide to be xenophobic for fun. They woke up and found that they had been outcompeted by wealthy foreign buyers and domestic buyers with money from sectors like finance or technology. Thirty years ago average people could buy a house on a regular wage and now they can't. That competition is driving the anxiety, and the anxiety is driving the reaction. Wealthy foreign buyers are the easiest target. Wealthy Asian businesspeople have been stashing their money in Canada for a long time, so it's not surprising they've been targeted for as long as you claim. It may be xenophobic, but inherent xenophobia isn't what is driving the behavior, it's a reaction to the class and land use issues, and it gets more intense as the divide grows more obvious.

arrosenberg 5y ago

You seem pretty obsessed with xenophobia, but its really just easier to target wealthy foreigners than wealthy domestics. This is a class and land use issue - the have nots don’t need to “better themselves” (nor do they need the implied patrimony in that statement), they need homes on affordable mortgages. The government can do that! We know they can, because they have before, you just need the land. Oh look, some unoccupied mansions…

tomatowurst 5y ago
when you aren't affected by it, you are more likely to discount it. the people aren't going after iranians or russian foreigners. they are literally singling out one group by race in Vancouver. Again you don't live here and you don't fall in the category so you won't understand how sensitive this issue is here.
- arrosenberg 5y ago
  I dunno, it kind of seems like I do. My city has the same land use issues, without the alleged xenophobia and we still target foreign wealth way more than domestic. Its just easier.
  - tomatowurst 5y ago
    > I dunno, it kind of seems like I do how?
    - arrosenberg 5y ago
      A common fallacy when you don't have a good argument is to handwave things away as "you just don't understand". I've already made my arguments very clearly - there maybe a xenophobia issue in Vancouver, but average people didn't wake up and decide to be xenophobic for fun. They woke up and found that they had been outcompeted by wealthy foreign buyers and domestic buyers with money from sectors like finance or technology. Thirty years ago average people could buy a house on a regular wage and now they can't. That competition is driving the anxiety, and the anxiety is driving the reaction. Wealthy foreign buyers are the easiest target. Wealthy Asian businesspeople have been stashing their money in Canada for a long time, so it's not surprising they've been targeted for as long as you claim. It may be xenophobic, but inherent xenophobia isn't what is driving the behavior, it's a reaction to the class and land use issues, and it gets more intense as the divide grows more obvious.