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> This isn't how it works. COVID spreads like a gas Nonsense. The virus spreads primarily through salivary droplets. Please don't peddle this rubbish. There i

> This isn't how it works. COVID spreads like a gas Nonsense. The virus spreads primarily through salivary droplets. Please don't peddle this rubbish. There is some aerosol transmission, but most infections happen at short range. Masks aren't perfectly effective but they do help, and that has saved lives. If you don't even understand the basic science then educate yourself before commenting.

native_samples 5y ago
That was the belief at the start of the pandemic. Oddly so because it was inconsistent with how things like SARS-1 spread. Very few people believe the droplet theory now, because it's inconsistent with the evidence. For example if it was really spreading this way, then masks would have an immediate and visible impact on case curves, but they don't. If you want more evidence, try: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16696450/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16696450/ SARS-1 spread through an apartment building by using drain pipes. No droplet transmission is capable of that. For SARS-CoV-2 the same thing happened on the Diamond Princess cruise ship. People were locked in their cabins, yet, the virus still spread through the ship without difficulty. This was very early evidence the spread-through-droplets theory couldn't be correct, but was ignored by public health.
- chimprich 5y ago
  > Very few people believe the droplet theory now Again, absolute nonsense. World Health Organisation: "Current evidence suggests that the virus spreads mainly between people who are in close contact with each other, for example at a conversational distance. The virus can spread from an infected person’s mouth or nose in small liquid particles when they cough, sneeze, speak, sing or breathe."[0] > People were locked in their cabins, yet, the virus still spread through the ship without difficulty. No one is disputing that the virus spreads through aerosol distribution. The majority of spread is through salivary droplets. Is your argument seriously that because there is some aerosol spread, that somehow disproves the model that spread is mainly through salivary droplets? If you are unable to understand the argument I don't see how we can continue the conversation. [0] https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-how-is-it-transmitted https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/cor...
  - native_samples 5y ago
    You keep trying to make this about how you (or the WHO) think masks should affect outcomes. I keep pointing how they actually affect outcomes. Because reality is more important than theory, that's all that needs to be done here. Masks do not work. The data is definitive and final. How you think COVID spreads or what the WHO says just doesn't matter at all, because they clearly have no idea how it spreads. If they did they'd be able to explain why masks had no observable impact, and they cannot.
    - chimprich 5y ago
      I look forward to your peer-reviewed paper on this with some rigorous mathematical analysis rather than what you think you saw on some cherry-picked data in a blog post.

native_samples 5y ago

That was the belief at the start of the pandemic. Oddly so because it was inconsistent with how things like SARS-1 spread. Very few people believe the droplet theory now, because it's inconsistent with the evidence. For example if it was really spreading this way, then masks would have an immediate and visible impact on case curves, but they don't. If you want more evidence, try: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16696450/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16696450/ SARS-1 spread through an apartment building by using drain pipes. No droplet transmission is capable of that. For SARS-CoV-2 the same thing happened on the Diamond Princess cruise ship. People were locked in their cabins, yet, the virus still spread through the ship without difficulty. This was very early evidence the spread-through-droplets theory couldn't be correct, but was ignored by public health.

chimprich 5y ago
> Very few people believe the droplet theory now Again, absolute nonsense. World Health Organisation: "Current evidence suggests that the virus spreads mainly between people who are in close contact with each other, for example at a conversational distance. The virus can spread from an infected person’s mouth or nose in small liquid particles when they cough, sneeze, speak, sing or breathe."[0] > People were locked in their cabins, yet, the virus still spread through the ship without difficulty. No one is disputing that the virus spreads through aerosol distribution. The majority of spread is through salivary droplets. Is your argument seriously that because there is some aerosol spread, that somehow disproves the model that spread is mainly through salivary droplets? If you are unable to understand the argument I don't see how we can continue the conversation. [0] https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-how-is-it-transmitted https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/cor...
- native_samples 5y ago
  You keep trying to make this about how you (or the WHO) think masks should affect outcomes. I keep pointing how they actually affect outcomes. Because reality is more important than theory, that's all that needs to be done here. Masks do not work. The data is definitive and final. How you think COVID spreads or what the WHO says just doesn't matter at all, because they clearly have no idea how it spreads. If they did they'd be able to explain why masks had no observable impact, and they cannot.
  - chimprich 5y ago
    I look forward to your peer-reviewed paper on this with some rigorous mathematical analysis rather than what you think you saw on some cherry-picked data in a blog post.