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The only thing that feels UNIX like is the terminal and even then zsh is different than most are used to and the included bash is essentially ancient. Even basi

The only thing that feels UNIX like is the terminal and even then zsh is different than most are used to and the included bash is essentially ancient. Even basic things like getting to your home folder with Finder is more trouble than it needs to be on a stock modern macOS install. They really go to lengths to hide it. If all that feels *nix-like is the the terminal why bother? WSL can do that too but if I want apt I can use that. I feel like there's no integration between the macOS UI stuff and the Unix underpinnings.

dcchambers 5y ago
From a technical/programming perspective, there's just so much that MacOS (unix) does right: things like file permissions, the layout of the file system, and having industry-standard tools like vim, make, gcc, ssh, bash (even if older versions) built in. I haven't used Windows for anything other than playing games for almost 10 years, but I remember things like Ruby (especially Rails) and Python programming were a complete PITA in Windows versus Mac (Unix) or Linux. Maybe that's changed...I honestly couldn't tell you. I agree that it's annoying how much apple tries to hide the Unix nature of the OS. I have no idea why they hide the home folder from Finder by default, it's on my list of "things to change immediately" when I do a fresh Mac install/setup, as well as things like installing newer versions of Bash, Vim, etc (via Homebrew). But overall I think the pros of the OS vastly outweigh the cons. For the most part, all of the things I don't like about the OS can be turned off or tuned. And I value how things work under the hood too much to give that up. I will admit I have never tried WSL - because I've never had a need to. I've considered trying it, but then I just tell myself I'd rather just use Linux.
kec 5y ago
> [...]Even basic things like getting to your home folder with Finder is more trouble than it needs to be on a stock modern macOS install. They really go to lengths to hide it.[...] Open finder then cmd-shift-h or cmd-shift-g, "~" Both of these work right out of the box, what would you rather macOS do to be easier?
- goosedragons 5y ago
  Super discoverable. Put Home on the sidebar by default like Thunar, Nautilus, Dolphin, Caja, earlier versions of Mac OS X...
  - throwaway675309 5y ago
    I mean you're not wrong, but at the same time I figured that stuff out on day one of using my Mac simply by just googling around a little bit and from then on I knew it... You only have to learn these things one time so this feels like a pretty minor nitpick.

dcchambers 5y ago

From a technical/programming perspective, there's just so much that MacOS (unix) does right: things like file permissions, the layout of the file system, and having industry-standard tools like vim, make, gcc, ssh, bash (even if older versions) built in. I haven't used Windows for anything other than playing games for almost 10 years, but I remember things like Ruby (especially Rails) and Python programming were a complete PITA in Windows versus Mac (Unix) or Linux. Maybe that's changed...I honestly couldn't tell you. I agree that it's annoying how much apple tries to hide the Unix nature of the OS. I have no idea why they hide the home folder from Finder by default, it's on my list of "things to change immediately" when I do a fresh Mac install/setup, as well as things like installing newer versions of Bash, Vim, etc (via Homebrew). But overall I think the pros of the OS vastly outweigh the cons. For the most part, all of the things I don't like about the OS can be turned off or tuned. And I value how things work under the hood too much to give that up. I will admit I have never tried WSL - because I've never had a need to. I've considered trying it, but then I just tell myself I'd rather just use Linux.

kec 5y ago

> [...]Even basic things like getting to your home folder with Finder is more trouble than it needs to be on a stock modern macOS install. They really go to lengths to hide it.[...] Open finder then cmd-shift-h or cmd-shift-g, "~" Both of these work right out of the box, what would you rather macOS do to be easier?

goosedragons 5y ago
Super discoverable. Put Home on the sidebar by default like Thunar, Nautilus, Dolphin, Caja, earlier versions of Mac OS X...
- throwaway675309 5y ago
  I mean you're not wrong, but at the same time I figured that stuff out on day one of using my Mac simply by just googling around a little bit and from then on I knew it... You only have to learn these things one time so this feels like a pretty minor nitpick.