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> I find being able to open + edit notes quickly helps my thought process more, I use org with roam in Doom Emacs. The org roam notes directory is backed by g

> I find being able to open + edit notes quickly helps my thought process more, I use org with roam in Doom Emacs. The org roam notes directory is backed by git. https://www.orgroam.com/ https://www.orgroam.com/ It allows for using a Zettelkasten style approach to note taking inside of Emacs. The basic idea is small quick notes that are cross referenced, indexed, and searchable. Doom Emacs is like Spacemacs were access to commands are activated through hitting the space bar while in Evil's command mode. This way if you stumble across a link or something notable or get an idea you want to hit later it takes about 15-20 seconds to generate a new note card, link it to other ones, and then get back to whatever you were doing before you got distracted. And then later you can go back and refine and expand on the idea with more note cards and have something you can easily use for a future reference. Nvim has it's own Zettelkasten-style note taking plugins, of course. But what sets Org apart, IMO, is just how flexible and FAST it is as a text-based UI for writing documents. Makes using MarkDown seem plodding in comparison. My favorite is, though, reStructuredText. RST was a work of genius. But the clincher for Org, when compared to RST, ends up being Org-babel. The ability to embed multiple formats into a single document, be able to quickly render those other documents to separate files, and being able to execute source code and maintain state between multiple src segments is crazy effective. Completely awesome if you want to get into literate programming. This turns your personal text-based notebook into having capabilities akin to Wolfwam or Jupyter Notebooks. Can even turn your indexed notes into an interface for Jupyter or Wolfram Mathmatica if you really want to. It's pretty nuts. Having something like that for NeoVim would be extremely nice. With new versions of Emacs having Wayland and Native Compilation it has improved performance significantly, but I don't think it will ever approach to just how fast NeoVim can be.

bananamerica 5y ago
> Having something like that for NeoVim would be extremely nice. With new versions of Emacs having Wayland and Native Compilation it has improved performance significantly, but I don't think it will ever approach to just how fast NeoVim can be. Always good to remind that emacsclient makes starting an Emacs frame/window instantaneous.
- ossusermivami 5y ago
  As someone who is fluent (but rather more emacs) in both I got to say neovim is much faster to use and not just to start. Emacs does a lot more tho so I don't think it's a fair comparaison.... Still enjoying switching between both,
  - bananamerica 5y ago
    I use both, I don't find opening nvim faster than creating a new Emacs frame, certainly not faster than opening an Emacs frame in the command line. Noticing that I'm mentioning creating a frame, not starting Emacs from scratch.
justinhj 5y ago
I’m a long time emacs and org-mode user but I switched to neovim for 90% of my development work. I still use emacs for org-mode and I doubt I would ever use org-mode in neovim because it relies on being implemented in the entire emacs system and the emacs lisp language . Nothing short of embedding emacs on neovim would make it tenable. I have the same problem in the other direction, viper is not a substitute for neovim.
- omaranto 5y ago
  > I have the same problem in the other direction, viper is not a substitute for neovim. You should give Evil a try, people say it's much better than Viper. At the very least Evil emulates Vim, while Viper just emulates vi.
  - justinhj 5y ago
    Sorry I think it was evil. As soon as I found one thing that didn’t work I was done
    - omaranto 5y ago
      Oh, that's a strict criterion! So not even Vim cuts it for you, it has to be neovim.
- feanaro 5y ago
  > I doubt I would ever use org-mode in neovim because it relies on being implemented in the entire emacs system and the emacs lisp language . Nothing short of embedding emacs on neovim would make it tenable. Uh-oh, this does not make a good commercial for org-mode. Is it really that tightly bound to emacs that it fundamentally cannot be used as a general-purpose editor-agnostic tool?
  - justinhj 5y ago
    It would be more fair to say you can’t use it to it’s full potential outside of it’s host since its most useful features are implemented in emacs

bananamerica 5y ago

> Having something like that for NeoVim would be extremely nice. With new versions of Emacs having Wayland and Native Compilation it has improved performance significantly, but I don't think it will ever approach to just how fast NeoVim can be. Always good to remind that emacsclient makes starting an Emacs frame/window instantaneous.

ossusermivami 5y ago
As someone who is fluent (but rather more emacs) in both I got to say neovim is much faster to use and not just to start. Emacs does a lot more tho so I don't think it's a fair comparaison.... Still enjoying switching between both,
- bananamerica 5y ago
  I use both, I don't find opening nvim faster than creating a new Emacs frame, certainly not faster than opening an Emacs frame in the command line. Noticing that I'm mentioning creating a frame, not starting Emacs from scratch.

justinhj 5y ago

I’m a long time emacs and org-mode user but I switched to neovim for 90% of my development work. I still use emacs for org-mode and I doubt I would ever use org-mode in neovim because it relies on being implemented in the entire emacs system and the emacs lisp language . Nothing short of embedding emacs on neovim would make it tenable. I have the same problem in the other direction, viper is not a substitute for neovim.

omaranto 5y ago
> I have the same problem in the other direction, viper is not a substitute for neovim. You should give Evil a try, people say it's much better than Viper. At the very least Evil emulates Vim, while Viper just emulates vi.
- justinhj 5y ago
  Sorry I think it was evil. As soon as I found one thing that didn’t work I was done
  - omaranto 5y ago
    Oh, that's a strict criterion! So not even Vim cuts it for you, it has to be neovim.
feanaro 5y ago
> I doubt I would ever use org-mode in neovim because it relies on being implemented in the entire emacs system and the emacs lisp language . Nothing short of embedding emacs on neovim would make it tenable. Uh-oh, this does not make a good commercial for org-mode. Is it really that tightly bound to emacs that it fundamentally cannot be used as a general-purpose editor-agnostic tool?
- justinhj 5y ago
  It would be more fair to say you can’t use it to it’s full potential outside of it’s host since its most useful features are implemented in emacs