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There's millions of people that have already been infected with COVID and receive no calculable benefit from taking a vaccine. While the vaccine has been prove

by tdfx 5y ago

There's millions of people that have already been infected with COVID and receive no calculable benefit from taking a vaccine. While the vaccine has been proven to be safe and effective, there are rare side effects that some people might not want to expose themselves to for no reason. Springing that blanket requirement on people at the end of the hiring process is a shitty move.

fanf2 5y ago
There are significant benefits to getting the vaccine after infection https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html
- tdfx 5y ago
  I really wish people would read their sources, and specifically with the CDC, read the sources the CDC is using. The CDC page you referenced uses https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm as its only source for this recommendation. The study monitors outcomes for a group that were all infected at some point in 2020. The vaccine was released at the end of 2020. The study monitors the infection status of these people in May-June 2021. It's purposefully selecting people who had no recent exposure via natural infection and comparing them to people that recently had the vaccine. I don't know how they can use this to support their recommendation with a straight face.
  - civilized 5y ago
    I don't understand your point. People who say "I don't need the vaccine because I already had COVID" never qualify that with how recent their natural infection was. Many of them assume that having it once is forever enough, like with chickenpox. The study shows that this common belief is wrong.
    - tdfx 5y ago
      Neither the vaccine or infection will protect against reinfection indefinitely. That much I believe everyone is in agreement with. If you had natural infection or the vaccine a year ago or more, you will likely be reinfected with the most recent strain, typically with mild or no symptoms. My point about the study was that it specifically selecting people who were recently vaccinated vs. people whose natural exposure was the prior year. Of course the vaccinated people whose immune systems were recently exposed to the spike protein had lower reinfection rates.
      - civilized 5y ago
        That's why taking the vaccine is valuable! It provides protection, even to those who have had COVID before! Even if you had it last year, you can protect yourself by taking the vaccine! That's what the study shows! Just because you think it's obvious doesn't mean the study isn't valuable!
        xenonite 5y ago
        On the other hand, the job did not require that a recent vaccination is required, just some. So it’s still comparing apples to oranges. On top of that: A recently recovered infection provides probably even more protection than a recent vaccination. It’s difficult to reason about all cases, in my opinion.
        civilized 5y ago
        The post that started this chain said there were significant benefits to vaccine after infection. That post was correct. Since then, tdfx and others have been launching a barrage of red herrings to somehow undermine and misdirect away from this correct point, rather than simply acknowledging it and moving on to whatever they actually want to say. If you don't want to be required to take the vaccine, we can have that conversation, but enough spouting nonsense to cast doubt on a correct point.
        5y ago
achenatx 5y ago
each time you are exposed via vaccine or getting infected, it builds immunity. Getting exposed turns out to be similar to having gotten one shot, though Im sure the immune response has a wider antigen coverage. Keep in mind that getting infected has a substantially higher risk of bad outcomes than getting the vaccine. Getting the vaccine substantially reduces the risk of bad outcomes. Getting infected then getting the vaccine is not as good as getting vaccinated then getting infected. Also getting infected likely makes you completely immune to that variant. But getting vaccines/boosters likely gives you stronger partial immunity to mutated variants.
- ipaddr 5y ago
  Each time you get a vaccine you suppress a part of your body that would naturally react. You won't over react to covid but you will also not react in a natural way like previously. What does this mean We will find out in 2024 when the first longterm studies are due out.
  - wtallis 5y ago
    > Each time you get a vaccine you suppress a part of your body that would naturally react. What exactly is being suppressed?
  - shadowgovt 5y ago
    What's the advantage of natural reaction? The natural reaction to viper venom is blood coagulation in the veins. There's no reason to believe, a priori, that the natural reaction to a biological antagonist is the best one.

by tdfx 5y ago

fanf2 5y ago

There are significant benefits to getting the vaccine after infection https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html

tdfx 5y ago
I really wish people would read their sources, and specifically with the CDC, read the sources the CDC is using. The CDC page you referenced uses https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm as its only source for this recommendation. The study monitors outcomes for a group that were all infected at some point in 2020. The vaccine was released at the end of 2020. The study monitors the infection status of these people in May-June 2021. It's purposefully selecting people who had no recent exposure via natural infection and comparing them to people that recently had the vaccine. I don't know how they can use this to support their recommendation with a straight face.
- civilized 5y ago
  I don't understand your point. People who say "I don't need the vaccine because I already had COVID" never qualify that with how recent their natural infection was. Many of them assume that having it once is forever enough, like with chickenpox. The study shows that this common belief is wrong.
  - tdfx 5y ago
    Neither the vaccine or infection will protect against reinfection indefinitely. That much I believe everyone is in agreement with. If you had natural infection or the vaccine a year ago or more, you will likely be reinfected with the most recent strain, typically with mild or no symptoms. My point about the study was that it specifically selecting people who were recently vaccinated vs. people whose natural exposure was the prior year. Of course the vaccinated people whose immune systems were recently exposed to the spike protein had lower reinfection rates.
    - civilized 5y ago
      That's why taking the vaccine is valuable! It provides protection, even to those who have had COVID before! Even if you had it last year, you can protect yourself by taking the vaccine! That's what the study shows! Just because you think it's obvious doesn't mean the study isn't valuable!
      - xenonite 5y ago
        On the other hand, the job did not require that a recent vaccination is required, just some. So it’s still comparing apples to oranges. On top of that: A recently recovered infection provides probably even more protection than a recent vaccination. It’s difficult to reason about all cases, in my opinion.
        civilized 5y ago
        The post that started this chain said there were significant benefits to vaccine after infection. That post was correct. Since then, tdfx and others have been launching a barrage of red herrings to somehow undermine and misdirect away from this correct point, rather than simply acknowledging it and moving on to whatever they actually want to say. If you don't want to be required to take the vaccine, we can have that conversation, but enough spouting nonsense to cast doubt on a correct point.
        5y ago

achenatx 5y ago

each time you are exposed via vaccine or getting infected, it builds immunity. Getting exposed turns out to be similar to having gotten one shot, though Im sure the immune response has a wider antigen coverage. Keep in mind that getting infected has a substantially higher risk of bad outcomes than getting the vaccine. Getting the vaccine substantially reduces the risk of bad outcomes. Getting infected then getting the vaccine is not as good as getting vaccinated then getting infected. Also getting infected likely makes you completely immune to that variant. But getting vaccines/boosters likely gives you stronger partial immunity to mutated variants.

ipaddr 5y ago
Each time you get a vaccine you suppress a part of your body that would naturally react. You won't over react to covid but you will also not react in a natural way like previously. What does this mean We will find out in 2024 when the first longterm studies are due out.
- wtallis 5y ago
  > Each time you get a vaccine you suppress a part of your body that would naturally react. What exactly is being suppressed?
- shadowgovt 5y ago
  What's the advantage of natural reaction? The natural reaction to viper venom is blood coagulation in the veins. There's no reason to believe, a priori, that the natural reaction to a biological antagonist is the best one.