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We just had a Federal election though? :/ Unless you are referring to this toothless promise made prior to the election in question, and now they're happy to f

We just had a Federal election though? :/ Unless you are referring to this toothless promise made prior to the election in question, and now they're happy to follow that as it won't actually change anything.

loceng 5y ago
Only 20% of Canadians voted for Trudeau, and the majority of Canadians are being misled by our mass media channels - CBC which got $1.2 billion of government funding last year, and they are now being rewarded with an additional $100 million per year for the next 4 years. E.g. our electoral system is designed to be unfairly balanced towards the duopoly, so we've been stuck in a cycle of voting for the lesser of two evils - instead of who we actually want to vote for.
- dane-pgp 5y ago
  I agree with you that the voting system is letting down Canadians, but I also think you are using an unfair framing with your "20%" figure which risks undermining the legitimacy of coalition governments (and thus efforts to introduce a more representative voting system where coalitions between smaller parties might become more common). In particular, I want to point out that the NDP have agreed to help the Liberal government to pass its legislative agenda, which presumably includes this ban, as the NDP had pushed for a tax for non-resident home purchases, which is a similar policy.[0] Considering the government as a two party coalition, therefore, and with the NDP getting close to half the number of votes as the Liberals, that would mean that 30% of Canadians voted for the current government. That's somewhere between Biden's numbers[1] and Boris Johnson's[2], to compare it to other major recent Western FPTP elections. [0] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-ottawa-faces-pressure-to-address-housing-unaffordability-in-thursdays/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-ottawa-face... [1] 34% = 81m / (158m / 66.2%) [2] 29% = 14.0m / 47.6m
  - loceng 5y ago
    And 30% making decisions for all of Canada is being argued as a good thing and fair, that my framing is unfair? Thank Goodness we have the Senate that requires passing these measures, these harmless ones like this one because it basically does nothing, but thankfully would have voted down the Emergency Act being extended for a month - which is why Trudeau the night before revoked it himself. I hope you're against Bill C-11 - the internet censorship bill as well? Did you hear their illogical conclusion for why they're doing it?
    - dane-pgp 5y ago
      > And 30% making decisions for all of Canada is being argued as a good thing and fair, that my framing is unfair? I'm not claiming it's a good thing, just that your headline figure of 20% makes it sound like coalition governments are somehow less good and less fair than single-party governments. Anyway, yes, you'll be glad to know that I'm against permanent "emergency" powers, and concerned about Canada's internet censorship bill, which seems to be an attempt to control social media as tightly as (government-approved) broadcast media[0]. [0] https://reclaimthenet.org/canadas-internet-censorship-bill-is-a-major-threat-to-free-speech-online/ https://reclaimthenet.org/canadas-internet-censorship-bill-i...

loceng 5y ago

Only 20% of Canadians voted for Trudeau, and the majority of Canadians are being misled by our mass media channels - CBC which got $1.2 billion of government funding last year, and they are now being rewarded with an additional $100 million per year for the next 4 years. E.g. our electoral system is designed to be unfairly balanced towards the duopoly, so we've been stuck in a cycle of voting for the lesser of two evils - instead of who we actually want to vote for.

dane-pgp 5y ago
I agree with you that the voting system is letting down Canadians, but I also think you are using an unfair framing with your "20%" figure which risks undermining the legitimacy of coalition governments (and thus efforts to introduce a more representative voting system where coalitions between smaller parties might become more common). In particular, I want to point out that the NDP have agreed to help the Liberal government to pass its legislative agenda, which presumably includes this ban, as the NDP had pushed for a tax for non-resident home purchases, which is a similar policy.[0] Considering the government as a two party coalition, therefore, and with the NDP getting close to half the number of votes as the Liberals, that would mean that 30% of Canadians voted for the current government. That's somewhere between Biden's numbers[1] and Boris Johnson's[2], to compare it to other major recent Western FPTP elections. [0] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-ottawa-faces-pressure-to-address-housing-unaffordability-in-thursdays/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-ottawa-face... [1] 34% = 81m / (158m / 66.2%) [2] 29% = 14.0m / 47.6m
- loceng 5y ago
  And 30% making decisions for all of Canada is being argued as a good thing and fair, that my framing is unfair? Thank Goodness we have the Senate that requires passing these measures, these harmless ones like this one because it basically does nothing, but thankfully would have voted down the Emergency Act being extended for a month - which is why Trudeau the night before revoked it himself. I hope you're against Bill C-11 - the internet censorship bill as well? Did you hear their illogical conclusion for why they're doing it?
  - dane-pgp 5y ago
    > And 30% making decisions for all of Canada is being argued as a good thing and fair, that my framing is unfair? I'm not claiming it's a good thing, just that your headline figure of 20% makes it sound like coalition governments are somehow less good and less fair than single-party governments. Anyway, yes, you'll be glad to know that I'm against permanent "emergency" powers, and concerned about Canada's internet censorship bill, which seems to be an attempt to control social media as tightly as (government-approved) broadcast media[0]. [0] https://reclaimthenet.org/canadas-internet-censorship-bill-is-a-major-threat-to-free-speech-online/ https://reclaimthenet.org/canadas-internet-censorship-bill-i...