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Belarusians, Russians Join Ukraine’s Military

52 points by lxm 5y ago

mushbino 5y ago
- simonh 5y ago
  As long as different points of view get a chance to have their say, and the tone stays civil, I'm fine with whatever gets upvoted. I know that's a tall order on a contentious issue like this and I know there are many Russians here and some of them may well be pro government, but if such a discussion can happen anywhere online, it's probably here.
  - mushbino 5y ago
    Remember how civil things were when every news outlet decided we needed to go to war with Iraq?
    - simonh 5y ago
      Hacker News didn't exist back then. If it had, I hope we'd have managed it.
- d23 5y ago
  You seem to have been comfortable throwing your hat in the ring of political discussions on this topic in the past: > There is no open door policy with NATO. Russia and the Soviet union have tried to join NATO at least a few times publicly and were rejected every time. What's the point of NATO again? > I've been seeing a pretty big wave of Nazi apologists on the left lately. It feels like now that everyone knows we've been arming Nazis in Ukraine they moved from denying it to saying Nazis weren't all that bad. > Imo, Putin is more analogous to GW Bush with the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. Can you make a claim for how Putin is worse than even Bush in this regard?
throw93232 5y ago
If they are Uk. citizens, they HAVE to join! Ukraine is multi-ethnic society!
- simonh 5y ago
  Sure, and young men in Russia with Ukrainian ancestry can get conscripted.
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marktangotango 5y ago
Propaganda aside, there's a lot to talk about technology related with the current conflict. Warfare is changing before our eyes. Does anyone now of where this topic is being discussed at a high level (ie hackernews level of discussion)?
- strict9 5y ago
  OSINT community on twitter is best place (just search for accounts using that term). Outside of twitter this is a good start: https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/ https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/
  - cf100clunk 5y ago
    Thanks, I was not aware of these: https://nitter.net/Osinttechnical https://nitter.net/Osinttechnical https://nitter.net/MepOsint https://nitter.net/MepOsint
- reducesuffering 5y ago
  https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch https://twitter.com/RALee85 https://twitter.com/RALee85 https://twitter.com/KofmanMichael https://twitter.com/KofmanMichael Like the other commenter said, these are part of OSINT (open source intelligence) twitter.
cf100clunk 5y ago
https://archive.ph/ftwuI https://archive.ph/ftwuI
gremlinsinc 5y ago
Wouldn't it be better for them to join the Russian side, then sabotage the HELL out of their efforts? Maybe reach out to Ukrainian leaders on what they'd like them to do, etc... It's highly risky sure, but no more risky than fighting from Ukraine for Ukraine...

52 points by lxm 5y ago

mushbino 5y ago

simonh 5y ago
As long as different points of view get a chance to have their say, and the tone stays civil, I'm fine with whatever gets upvoted. I know that's a tall order on a contentious issue like this and I know there are many Russians here and some of them may well be pro government, but if such a discussion can happen anywhere online, it's probably here.
- mushbino 5y ago
  Remember how civil things were when every news outlet decided we needed to go to war with Iraq?
  - simonh 5y ago
    Hacker News didn't exist back then. If it had, I hope we'd have managed it.
d23 5y ago
You seem to have been comfortable throwing your hat in the ring of political discussions on this topic in the past: > There is no open door policy with NATO. Russia and the Soviet union have tried to join NATO at least a few times publicly and were rejected every time. What's the point of NATO again? > I've been seeing a pretty big wave of Nazi apologists on the left lately. It feels like now that everyone knows we've been arming Nazis in Ukraine they moved from denying it to saying Nazis weren't all that bad. > Imo, Putin is more analogous to GW Bush with the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. Can you make a claim for how Putin is worse than even Bush in this regard?

throw93232 5y ago

If they are Uk. citizens, they HAVE to join! Ukraine is multi-ethnic society!

simonh 5y ago
Sure, and young men in Russia with Ukrainian ancestry can get conscripted.

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marktangotango 5y ago

Propaganda aside, there's a lot to talk about technology related with the current conflict. Warfare is changing before our eyes. Does anyone now of where this topic is being discussed at a high level (ie hackernews level of discussion)?

strict9 5y ago
OSINT community on twitter is best place (just search for accounts using that term). Outside of twitter this is a good start: https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/ https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/
- cf100clunk 5y ago
  Thanks, I was not aware of these: https://nitter.net/Osinttechnical https://nitter.net/Osinttechnical https://nitter.net/MepOsint https://nitter.net/MepOsint
reducesuffering 5y ago
https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch https://twitter.com/RALee85 https://twitter.com/RALee85 https://twitter.com/KofmanMichael https://twitter.com/KofmanMichael Like the other commenter said, these are part of OSINT (open source intelligence) twitter.

cf100clunk 5y ago

https://archive.ph/ftwuI https://archive.ph/ftwuI

gremlinsinc 5y ago

Wouldn't it be better for them to join the Russian side, then sabotage the HELL out of their efforts? Maybe reach out to Ukrainian leaders on what they'd like them to do, etc... It's highly risky sure, but no more risky than fighting from Ukraine for Ukraine...