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Laughable. There was 0 research, most of the claims can be proven wrong with a simple web search. I find it always amazing how Linux users claim you can't cust

by Kuinox 5y ago

Laughable. There was 0 research, most of the claims can be proven wrong with a simple web search. I find it always amazing how Linux users claim you can't customize or tinker Windows, which is plain wrong. Basic search in Windows docs shows it: > You can’t customize anything! You can customize a lot of things, and even, make your own Windows "distribution": https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/system-builder-deployment https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufactur... > It’s a commercial OS, aimed at users of Word, Excel & Outlook, pretty much. The dev-tools are not included, yes, because most of the users doesn't need it. The windows devtools are excellent. Take a look at Event Tracing for Windows as an example. > Non-composable Software ... The command line tools Yeah and Powershell exists ? You can pipe objects with Powershell. > Paths Sigh: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/usmt/usmt-recognized-environment-variables https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/usmt/usm... > Installing Software chocolatey. > multiple clipboards win+v > to match my Linux workflow Exactly, stop, don't, you will scream at a Windows user if they try to use their Windows workflow on Linux, why are you doing the same thing ?

nopenopenopeno 5y ago
You can tinker a lot with windows but your changes will likely be undone with one of the next few updates.
- Kuinox 5y ago
  Except the edge redirect debacle, windows update at worse will reset a few registry entries. It can't "just undone" all your changes. It doesn't work like this. And there is official docs thats explain how to do it properly: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/update/waas-wu-settings https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/update/w...
  - majkinetor 5y ago
    There are few thing that IT WILL change, like if I disable windows update, it will reenable it, the same goes with Defender. But those are sporadic cases and solvable. It not like it never happened on Linux side either, contrary. You can rolling release your stuff just up to the point, and then good luck.
    - Kuinox 5y ago
      You likely changed the wrong settings, like disabled it in the windows services, check the comment you reply to, I edited it with the official windows documentation explaining you how to disable windows update.
      - majkinetor 5y ago
        Image creation tool? Don't be ridiculous now after you said so many good things... Automatic updates via single click/CLI call to turn it off is the only solution. You don't need to know about "Windows distributions" to turn off updates, that's ridiculous and insulting. I have script but need to change it from time to time. OOSU10 also does it for now. Some hosts tinkering also...
        Kuinox 5y ago
        I said the comment replied to, this is the doc I linked: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/update/waas-wu-settings https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/update/w...
        majkinetor 5y ago
        Oh, sorry, my bad for the link. It says to set on this key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate\AU I already have there NoAutoUpdate = 1 now (looks like ShutUp10 that I use set that, and I get error if I want to update, after restarting). Not sure if I hallucinate or so, but this is so trivial to set that it doesn't explain why entire Internet has a problem. I set this up after initial Windows install as concept of automatic update without your say in it (what and when) is nonsense, but Windows still managed to skip it somehow later... Actually, I checked my notes now, and found 5 different ways to do it since obviously people had problems with "universal solutions": task scheduler, hosts, mettered connection, registry, debloater scripts etc.
        InvaderFizz 5y ago
- majkinetor 5y ago
  You can prevent Windows updating on its own.
majkinetor 5y ago
Yes, its total nonsense. I use both and ANY THING CAN BE DONE ON BOTH OS. To claim differently shows only that one sucks and didn't RTFM or experiment enough. > The dev-tools are not included PowerShell is excellent dev tool OTB. Anything else is cinst/winget install away in seconds. While winget is new thing, Choco is there for around decade and it has everything and most up to date, on par with Arch.
- Kuinox 5y ago
  Oh yes, PowerShell is an excellent tool, but I was thinking on the more of tools like ETW, Sysinternals, Visual Studio...
  - majkinetor 5y ago
    And Linux has Visual Studio equivalent included? Is that even a question given the number of distros? If it does, its disaster IMO, I don't want it on Windows either when vocode is perfectly capable to do any of that stuff and not being 27GB in size with obscure install script but one cinst and 10s away with all my settings synced. Why would anybody impose such a bloated burden on me by default...
emptysongglass 5y ago
> > Paths > Sigh: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/usmt/usm https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/usmt/usm... Can you explain this a bit more? If I type cd CSIDL_DEFAULT_DOWNLOADS does that take me to the Downloads directory of $USER? And does that mean I can script against that envvar path? I think part of the issue is these kinds of Windows accessibility improvements are not as discoverable as the ArchWiki. You mentioned spinning your own distro of Windows but where are the Medium articles or distro respins out there? > > Installing Software > chocolatey. To be fair to the author, they did conclude scoop was the best choice (with examples of use aplenty) and I agree. I much prefer scoop to choco but I'd like to hear why you prefer it.
- Kuinox 5y ago
  Sadly not all the variables here works as it's for something unrelated to the command line. You can list all the working variables with `Get-ChildItem Env:` To use the variable, put '%' around it. (Sadly no variable point to the Download directory, but that's far easier to do it with a real programming language). > think part of the issue is these kinds of Windows accessibility improvements are not as discoverable as the ArchWiki. That's true for these variable in particular > You mentioned spinning your own distro of Windows but where are the Medium articles or distro respins out there? Heh, there is no article of it, but the msdoc is extensive enough on the subject you shouldn't have an issue if you follow it.
  - emptysongglass 5y ago
    If you have any other power user insights (or good blogs to follow) I'd love to hear them! To be honest, I got real comfy with WSL2 and Windows 11 at my last job but only felt like I was scratching the surface. I keep hearing about black magic like WinRM which I understand you can use to Infrastructure-as-Code your Windows.
    - Kuinox 5y ago
      PowerShell allow you to do a lot and with the typing even a basic "ide" like the preinstalled PowerShell ISE allow you to explore efficiently new API without having to read docs. If you need to find out a performance issue in windows and the task manager is not enough take a loot at ETW the tooling is awesome.
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by Kuinox 5y ago

nopenopenopeno 5y ago

You can tinker a lot with windows but your changes will likely be undone with one of the next few updates.

Kuinox 5y ago
Except the edge redirect debacle, windows update at worse will reset a few registry entries. It can't "just undone" all your changes. It doesn't work like this. And there is official docs thats explain how to do it properly: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/update/waas-wu-settings https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/update/w...
- majkinetor 5y ago
  There are few thing that IT WILL change, like if I disable windows update, it will reenable it, the same goes with Defender. But those are sporadic cases and solvable. It not like it never happened on Linux side either, contrary. You can rolling release your stuff just up to the point, and then good luck.
  - Kuinox 5y ago
    You likely changed the wrong settings, like disabled it in the windows services, check the comment you reply to, I edited it with the official windows documentation explaining you how to disable windows update.
    - majkinetor 5y ago
      Image creation tool? Don't be ridiculous now after you said so many good things... Automatic updates via single click/CLI call to turn it off is the only solution. You don't need to know about "Windows distributions" to turn off updates, that's ridiculous and insulting. I have script but need to change it from time to time. OOSU10 also does it for now. Some hosts tinkering also...
      - Kuinox 5y ago
        I said the comment replied to, this is the doc I linked: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/update/waas-wu-settings https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/update/w...
        majkinetor 5y ago
        Oh, sorry, my bad for the link. It says to set on this key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate\AU I already have there NoAutoUpdate = 1 now (looks like ShutUp10 that I use set that, and I get error if I want to update, after restarting). Not sure if I hallucinate or so, but this is so trivial to set that it doesn't explain why entire Internet has a problem. I set this up after initial Windows install as concept of automatic update without your say in it (what and when) is nonsense, but Windows still managed to skip it somehow later... Actually, I checked my notes now, and found 5 different ways to do it since obviously people had problems with "universal solutions": task scheduler, hosts, mettered connection, registry, debloater scripts etc.
        InvaderFizz 5y ago
majkinetor 5y ago
You can prevent Windows updating on its own.

majkinetor 5y ago

Yes, its total nonsense. I use both and ANY THING CAN BE DONE ON BOTH OS. To claim differently shows only that one sucks and didn't RTFM or experiment enough. > The dev-tools are not included PowerShell is excellent dev tool OTB. Anything else is cinst/winget install away in seconds. While winget is new thing, Choco is there for around decade and it has everything and most up to date, on par with Arch.

Kuinox 5y ago
Oh yes, PowerShell is an excellent tool, but I was thinking on the more of tools like ETW, Sysinternals, Visual Studio...
- majkinetor 5y ago
  And Linux has Visual Studio equivalent included? Is that even a question given the number of distros? If it does, its disaster IMO, I don't want it on Windows either when vocode is perfectly capable to do any of that stuff and not being 27GB in size with obscure install script but one cinst and 10s away with all my settings synced. Why would anybody impose such a bloated burden on me by default...

emptysongglass 5y ago

> > Paths > Sigh: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/usmt/usm https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/usmt/usm... Can you explain this a bit more? If I type cd CSIDL_DEFAULT_DOWNLOADS does that take me to the Downloads directory of $USER? And does that mean I can script against that envvar path? I think part of the issue is these kinds of Windows accessibility improvements are not as discoverable as the ArchWiki. You mentioned spinning your own distro of Windows but where are the Medium articles or distro respins out there? > > Installing Software > chocolatey. To be fair to the author, they did conclude scoop was the best choice (with examples of use aplenty) and I agree. I much prefer scoop to choco but I'd like to hear why you prefer it.

Kuinox 5y ago
Sadly not all the variables here works as it's for something unrelated to the command line. You can list all the working variables with `Get-ChildItem Env:` To use the variable, put '%' around it. (Sadly no variable point to the Download directory, but that's far easier to do it with a real programming language). > think part of the issue is these kinds of Windows accessibility improvements are not as discoverable as the ArchWiki. That's true for these variable in particular > You mentioned spinning your own distro of Windows but where are the Medium articles or distro respins out there? Heh, there is no article of it, but the msdoc is extensive enough on the subject you shouldn't have an issue if you follow it.
- emptysongglass 5y ago
  If you have any other power user insights (or good blogs to follow) I'd love to hear them! To be honest, I got real comfy with WSL2 and Windows 11 at my last job but only felt like I was scratching the surface. I keep hearing about black magic like WinRM which I understand you can use to Infrastructure-as-Code your Windows.
  - Kuinox 5y ago
    PowerShell allow you to do a lot and with the typing even a basic "ide" like the preinstalled PowerShell ISE allow you to explore efficiently new API without having to read docs. If you need to find out a performance issue in windows and the task manager is not enough take a loot at ETW the tooling is awesome.

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