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In fact, if you're using Linux on your workstation you'll use the same skills locally as you do on the VPS/bare metal (depending on your scale.) Arguably "cloud

In fact, if you're using Linux on your workstation you'll use the same skills locally as you do on the VPS/bare metal (depending on your scale.) Arguably "cloud" services need more sysadmin skills, not less.

lolinder 5y ago
It's far easier to maintain my own Linux workstation than an internet-facing server used daily by customers.
- exfascist 5y ago
  Absolutely but most of the knowledge translates, it's the procedures that differ.
  - lolinder 5y ago
    It's those different procedures that I'm trying to avoid. It's not that I couldn't do those things or learn to do them, it's that my time is best spent building and improving our applications, not keeping servers running, secured, and up to date. At some point we hope to get to the scale where it makes sense to pay a human to do that, but at this point the additional cost incurred by an ECS instance over an equivalent server is negligible.
ChasingEchoes 5y ago
Thats a very big if. I have yet to work with a $corp that uses Linux for workstations. Overwhelming majority uses Windows. Some use macOS. The ocasional developer that uses linux will usually be in a VM, or if IT policies allow, WSL. So yeah, running cloud services doesnt require sysadmin skills, unless you assume copy pasting from oficial documention "sysadmin skills".
- xedrac 5y ago
  That's funny... every team I've been on in the last 10 years has used Linux workstations almost exclusively, with a few Macs here and there.
- vidarh 4y ago
  In 27 years, I've had exactly two jobs where I didn't have Linux on my desktop, for a total of 5 out of those 27 years. In both cases, I still did all of my dev work on Linux. It boils down to what kind of jobs you look for. > So yeah, running cloud services doesnt require sysadmin skills, unless you assume copy pasting from oficial documention "sysadmin skills". If that's the extent of how you're managing your cloud setup, then I could equally argue running bare metal servers doesn't require sysadmin skills either. When I did contracting, a large part of my income was to come in and clean up after people had relied on "copy pasting from official documentation" as a substitute for actual ops.

lolinder 5y ago

It's far easier to maintain my own Linux workstation than an internet-facing server used daily by customers.

exfascist 5y ago
Absolutely but most of the knowledge translates, it's the procedures that differ.
- lolinder 5y ago
  It's those different procedures that I'm trying to avoid. It's not that I couldn't do those things or learn to do them, it's that my time is best spent building and improving our applications, not keeping servers running, secured, and up to date. At some point we hope to get to the scale where it makes sense to pay a human to do that, but at this point the additional cost incurred by an ECS instance over an equivalent server is negligible.

ChasingEchoes 5y ago

Thats a very big if. I have yet to work with a $corp that uses Linux for workstations. Overwhelming majority uses Windows. Some use macOS. The ocasional developer that uses linux will usually be in a VM, or if IT policies allow, WSL. So yeah, running cloud services doesnt require sysadmin skills, unless you assume copy pasting from oficial documention "sysadmin skills".

xedrac 5y ago
That's funny... every team I've been on in the last 10 years has used Linux workstations almost exclusively, with a few Macs here and there.
vidarh 4y ago
In 27 years, I've had exactly two jobs where I didn't have Linux on my desktop, for a total of 5 out of those 27 years. In both cases, I still did all of my dev work on Linux. It boils down to what kind of jobs you look for. > So yeah, running cloud services doesnt require sysadmin skills, unless you assume copy pasting from oficial documention "sysadmin skills". If that's the extent of how you're managing your cloud setup, then I could equally argue running bare metal servers doesn't require sysadmin skills either. When I did contracting, a large part of my income was to come in and clean up after people had relied on "copy pasting from official documentation" as a substitute for actual ops.