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Submission title nitpick: The word "Relaunch" doesn't appear on that site, and they're calling themselves "Novaya Gazeta Europe"... (Which makes me wonder if t

Submission title nitpick: The word "Relaunch" doesn't appear on that site, and they're calling themselves "Novaya Gazeta Europe"... (Which makes me wonder if they don't consider Russia to be European)

fer 5y ago
> The word "Relaunch" doesn't appear on that site I think the "Our website will be launched in" banner counts as "relaunch", since they were active before.
atemerev 5y ago
If they would have explicitly declared their continuity, it will be easier for Russian government to pursue them, even abroad.
5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
With the way things are going, it is a relaunch for all intents and purposes. I don't think they'll be able to work inside the country until the regime is changed (so probably not in my lifetime, but who really knows).
unfocussed_mike 5y ago
Russia is transcontinental, not simply European. Novaya Gazeta Europe is clearly based in Europe and specifically _not_ in Russia; this is the whole point of their endeavour. More to the point, it must also have been established in the European Union, because it has a .eu domain name, and you need to be an entity in an EU state to create one of those.
- KSPAtlas 5y ago
  I wonder, if you lived in the UK before Brexit and owned a .EU domain, once brexit happened, what happens to the domain?
  - severine 5y ago
    https://afterbrexit.tech/eu-domains/ https://afterbrexit.tech/eu-domains/
  - unfocussed_mike 5y ago
    It's not "lived" so much as "did business" and I think the broad answer has been "stopped being able to renew them". I know a couple of my clients have basically abandoned domain names, but most British businesses were only holding onto .eu domains for completeness anyway.
  - andrewshadura 5y ago
    You needed to re-register it or you would have lost it. Ironically, that's what's happened to the website of leave.eu campaign :)
  - rusk 5y ago
    Hilariously, this actually happened to Leave.EU one of the main campaigning bodies. I think they set up an office in Dublin or something to get around it.
watwut 5y ago
The sentence "It will cover international and Russian news for people who read in Russian and who share European values." suggests they "European values" as something separate. Also, they are from Russia, had to leave Russia as the war started and Russia currently see Europe as Western and enemy. So, implication is that they will print things they could not print if they had been in Russia.
asveikau 5y ago
The Russians I've known often contrast themselves with Europeans in exactly those terms.
- dron57 5y ago
  How do Europeans contrast themselves from other countries/cultures/languages in Europe? Wouldn't it be similar?
  - watwut 5y ago
    I did not seen Europeans contrast themselves with Europeans all that much. They may contrast themselves with other countries specifically or block of countries specifically. Or say something like "the rest of Europe". I think that many Russians see themselves not part of Europe, culturally and politically. They are something different, especially pro-government ones. Europeans see themselves as part of Europe, even if they have grievance against something. And that is all there is to it.
  - asveikau 5y ago
    I think they would contrast themselves with other European national identities but not deny that they are also European. I haven't taken a survey of this but that's my intuition. Ps. I suspect this contrasting of Russia and Europe may be quite old. I think of the Grand Duchy of Moscow and Peter the Great. That kind of contrast was very much under discussion in that time period as far as I know.
  - sveme 5y ago
    Isn‘t identity always context-dependent and fuzzy? I live in Bavaria, so for other Germans I‘m Bavarian. For other Europeans I am German and sometimes Central European. For Americans and most especially Asians I am European.
- berkes 5y ago
  Same with Brits. Great Britain is unequivocal part of "Europe, but Brits will often call the mainland "Europe" and themselves "Great Britain". Brits get even more confused if you then ask them "But what about Ireland? Is is European or British?". Most often, brits will then get angry and just leave...
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fer 5y ago

> The word "Relaunch" doesn't appear on that site I think the "Our website will be launched in" banner counts as "relaunch", since they were active before.

atemerev 5y ago

If they would have explicitly declared their continuity, it will be easier for Russian government to pursue them, even abroad.

5e92cb50239222b 5y ago

With the way things are going, it is a relaunch for all intents and purposes. I don't think they'll be able to work inside the country until the regime is changed (so probably not in my lifetime, but who really knows).

unfocussed_mike 5y ago

Russia is transcontinental, not simply European. Novaya Gazeta Europe is clearly based in Europe and specifically _not_ in Russia; this is the whole point of their endeavour. More to the point, it must also have been established in the European Union, because it has a .eu domain name, and you need to be an entity in an EU state to create one of those.

KSPAtlas 5y ago
I wonder, if you lived in the UK before Brexit and owned a .EU domain, once brexit happened, what happens to the domain?
- severine 5y ago
  https://afterbrexit.tech/eu-domains/ https://afterbrexit.tech/eu-domains/
- unfocussed_mike 5y ago
  It's not "lived" so much as "did business" and I think the broad answer has been "stopped being able to renew them". I know a couple of my clients have basically abandoned domain names, but most British businesses were only holding onto .eu domains for completeness anyway.
- andrewshadura 5y ago
  You needed to re-register it or you would have lost it. Ironically, that's what's happened to the website of leave.eu campaign :)
- rusk 5y ago
  Hilariously, this actually happened to Leave.EU one of the main campaigning bodies. I think they set up an office in Dublin or something to get around it.

watwut 5y ago

The sentence "It will cover international and Russian news for people who read in Russian and who share European values." suggests they "European values" as something separate. Also, they are from Russia, had to leave Russia as the war started and Russia currently see Europe as Western and enemy. So, implication is that they will print things they could not print if they had been in Russia.

asveikau 5y ago

The Russians I've known often contrast themselves with Europeans in exactly those terms.

dron57 5y ago
How do Europeans contrast themselves from other countries/cultures/languages in Europe? Wouldn't it be similar?
- watwut 5y ago
  I did not seen Europeans contrast themselves with Europeans all that much. They may contrast themselves with other countries specifically or block of countries specifically. Or say something like "the rest of Europe". I think that many Russians see themselves not part of Europe, culturally and politically. They are something different, especially pro-government ones. Europeans see themselves as part of Europe, even if they have grievance against something. And that is all there is to it.
- asveikau 5y ago
  I think they would contrast themselves with other European national identities but not deny that they are also European. I haven't taken a survey of this but that's my intuition. Ps. I suspect this contrasting of Russia and Europe may be quite old. I think of the Grand Duchy of Moscow and Peter the Great. That kind of contrast was very much under discussion in that time period as far as I know.
- sveme 5y ago
  Isn‘t identity always context-dependent and fuzzy? I live in Bavaria, so for other Germans I‘m Bavarian. For other Europeans I am German and sometimes Central European. For Americans and most especially Asians I am European.
berkes 5y ago
Same with Brits. Great Britain is unequivocal part of "Europe, but Brits will often call the mainland "Europe" and themselves "Great Britain". Brits get even more confused if you then ask them "But what about Ireland? Is is European or British?". Most often, brits will then get angry and just leave...

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