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This is what happens when you teach developers 'storage/hardware/compute is cheap' if you ask me. That plus the lack of interest in Apple Music development in g

This is what happens when you teach developers 'storage/hardware/compute is cheap' if you ask me. That plus the lack of interest in Apple Music development in general. (I cannot imagine that shitty music player received much love over the pas years. Still better then spotify though.) Funny side note: I recently made it's frontend crash. Turns out it _is_ a JS frontend after all. I suspected as much because of how slow & slugish it is, but I got an actual JS error & it fell back to the old table interface

fredley 5y ago
If you're buying your storage from Apple it is not cheap!
kall 5y ago
I believe they just fixed this (after how many years?) by moving Music.app away from webviews to native views in macOS 12.2. I wouldn't be surprised to still see a JavaScript error in there though, or maybe a Java error because it probably still runs on WebObjects.
hans1729 5y ago
> Still better then spotify though Surely you are talking about different clients than I have on i/macOS? With Apple Music running on my MacBook, I couldn’t even control the player on the respective iOS app from the couch. It was insultingly trashy UX, and I’m deep, deep into apples ecosystem. My reaction was “what a joke, guess I have to use Spotify”.
- basisword 5y ago
  Apple Music could lack 90% of Spotify’s features, but Spotify will never get me back to their awful desktop UI. It looks like it’s made for toddlers. Full screen on an artist page I don’t even see 5 songs because they have this stupid big banner section taking up 2/3 of the screen. Throw in their spamming of podcasts to me and the whole desktop experience is a mess. Apple Music has its issues but at least the UI is kind of ok. That’s how low Spotify has set the bar which is a shame because their UI was great for about a decade and then they just set it on fire.
  - wlesieutre 5y ago
    Remember when Spotify made headlines last year for having a button to listen to an album in order? That's how low the bar is. I switched to Apple Music as well. It's not perfect but at least it's not trying to shove Podcasts into my music. Spotify also likes to complain about Apple being anti-competitive by locking them out of features, then when Apple does let 3rd party apps do things like Apple Watch offline background music playback, Spotify takes two and a half years to actually use it. https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/01/05/pandora-releases-redesigned-apple-watch-app-with-offline-playback-support https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/01/05/pandora-releases-... https://newsroom.spotify.com/2021-05-21/enjoy-more-ways-than-ever-to-use-spotify-on-your-apple-watch-now-with-downloads/ https://newsroom.spotify.com/2021-05-21/enjoy-more-ways-than... Edit to add: AirPlay 2 from iOS 11.4 (May 2018) still not supported, so you can't do multi-room audio, only a single speaker at a time
    - whywhywhywhy 5y ago
      > then when Apple does let 3rd party apps do things like Apple Watch offline background music playback Entirely Apples fault, by the time they enabled the possibility of the feature it had become apparent that the Watch as a platform wasn't really worth focusing on so it's on the backburner now. If that feature was possible day one, it would have happened. But instead Apple has this attitude of locking things out from 3rd parties and only moving when it starts to make their products look bad.
      - wlesieutre 5y ago
        Offline music is really about fitness users, if you’re not a runner I can see how it looks useless. Anyone who wants it has switched off of Spotify by now, so at this point it probably doesn't matter if they ever get around to it.
        whywhywhywhy 5y ago
        >Offline music is really about fitness users Isn’t the entire concept of the device about fitness users? Seen as it failed to carve out any other niche.
- kitsunesoba 5y ago
  It’s a bit odd, but Music on Mac and iTunes on Windows needs to be controlled through Remote[0]. I tested it now and it works fine. I agree that it’s a tad odd that remote control of the desktop version isn’t as integrated as it is for the Mac/Windows version. [0]: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/itunes-remote/id284417350 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/itunes-remote/id284417350
  - hans1729 5y ago
    That's interesting to know, but just not going to fly with me. While I agree with the other commenters here that Spotifys Desktop-client is terrible, I don't miss any functionality and I don't want to use an additional app to control the music playing on the mac when spotify does it natively. (That, and all my friends use spotify, too, so sharing/group sessions etc. work out of the box)
- dan1234 5y ago
  One of my reasons for dropping Spotify was their desktop client!
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zamalek 5y ago
> storage/hardware/compute is cheap And this definitely isn't the case here. If you run out of space it usually means an entirely new device.

fredley 5y ago

If you're buying your storage from Apple it is not cheap!

kall 5y ago

I believe they just fixed this (after how many years?) by moving Music.app away from webviews to native views in macOS 12.2. I wouldn't be surprised to still see a JavaScript error in there though, or maybe a Java error because it probably still runs on WebObjects.

hans1729 5y ago

> Still better then spotify though Surely you are talking about different clients than I have on i/macOS? With Apple Music running on my MacBook, I couldn’t even control the player on the respective iOS app from the couch. It was insultingly trashy UX, and I’m deep, deep into apples ecosystem. My reaction was “what a joke, guess I have to use Spotify”.

basisword 5y ago
Apple Music could lack 90% of Spotify’s features, but Spotify will never get me back to their awful desktop UI. It looks like it’s made for toddlers. Full screen on an artist page I don’t even see 5 songs because they have this stupid big banner section taking up 2/3 of the screen. Throw in their spamming of podcasts to me and the whole desktop experience is a mess. Apple Music has its issues but at least the UI is kind of ok. That’s how low Spotify has set the bar which is a shame because their UI was great for about a decade and then they just set it on fire.
- wlesieutre 5y ago
  Remember when Spotify made headlines last year for having a button to listen to an album in order? That's how low the bar is. I switched to Apple Music as well. It's not perfect but at least it's not trying to shove Podcasts into my music. Spotify also likes to complain about Apple being anti-competitive by locking them out of features, then when Apple does let 3rd party apps do things like Apple Watch offline background music playback, Spotify takes two and a half years to actually use it. https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/01/05/pandora-releases-redesigned-apple-watch-app-with-offline-playback-support https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/01/05/pandora-releases-... https://newsroom.spotify.com/2021-05-21/enjoy-more-ways-than-ever-to-use-spotify-on-your-apple-watch-now-with-downloads/ https://newsroom.spotify.com/2021-05-21/enjoy-more-ways-than... Edit to add: AirPlay 2 from iOS 11.4 (May 2018) still not supported, so you can't do multi-room audio, only a single speaker at a time
  - whywhywhywhy 5y ago
    > then when Apple does let 3rd party apps do things like Apple Watch offline background music playback Entirely Apples fault, by the time they enabled the possibility of the feature it had become apparent that the Watch as a platform wasn't really worth focusing on so it's on the backburner now. If that feature was possible day one, it would have happened. But instead Apple has this attitude of locking things out from 3rd parties and only moving when it starts to make their products look bad.
    - wlesieutre 5y ago
      Offline music is really about fitness users, if you’re not a runner I can see how it looks useless. Anyone who wants it has switched off of Spotify by now, so at this point it probably doesn't matter if they ever get around to it.
      - whywhywhywhy 5y ago
        >Offline music is really about fitness users Isn’t the entire concept of the device about fitness users? Seen as it failed to carve out any other niche.
kitsunesoba 5y ago
It’s a bit odd, but Music on Mac and iTunes on Windows needs to be controlled through Remote[0]. I tested it now and it works fine. I agree that it’s a tad odd that remote control of the desktop version isn’t as integrated as it is for the Mac/Windows version. [0]: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/itunes-remote/id284417350 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/itunes-remote/id284417350
- hans1729 5y ago
  That's interesting to know, but just not going to fly with me. While I agree with the other commenters here that Spotifys Desktop-client is terrible, I don't miss any functionality and I don't want to use an additional app to control the music playing on the mac when spotify does it natively. (That, and all my friends use spotify, too, so sharing/group sessions etc. work out of the box)
dan1234 5y ago
One of my reasons for dropping Spotify was their desktop client!

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zamalek 5y ago

> storage/hardware/compute is cheap And this definitely isn't the case here. If you run out of space it usually means an entirely new device.