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If that’s how a person without kids feels, isn’t having kids just creating another person who has to have kids to find meaning in their life (and on and on and

If that’s how a person without kids feels, isn’t having kids just creating another person who has to have kids to find meaning in their life (and on and on and on)? With the certainty of climate change, it feels like adoption is the only moral/ethical way to do this.

ericmay 5y ago
Going to strongly push back on adoption being morally or ethically superior to having children the ole’ fashioned way because of climate change. I don’t see this as a productive train of thought and more likely solutions for climate change exist elsewhere. It’s ok to have kids. Adopting kids is nice and that’s ok too.
- paulcole 5y ago
  > more likely solutions for climate change exist elsewhere. Anybody who's having kids today sure better hope so.
alfor 5y ago
It’s a very pessimistic worldview. While it’s true that they are great filter ahead of us I think climate change is not the biggest concern. Look into Tony Seba to see how fast the transition to RE is happening. We could also geoengineering the climate if it become a real problem.
CRConrad 5y ago
> If that’s how a person without kids feels, isn’t having kids just creating another person who has to have kids to find meaning in their life (and on and on and on)? OK, so the meaning of our lives is to perpetuate the species. Not too bad; if it's good enough for (the other) animals, why not for us too? Ya want anything beyond that, it would logically have to be to make mankind of the future a better species than right now. Which of course you do by making your kids better persons than you are. So then you're back to them again.
- paulcole 5y ago
  > if it's good enough for (the other) animals, why not for us too? My cat drinks from the toilet.
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    It's water. I drink water too. I didn't lick my kid clean when he was a baby either, but on the level of having him in the first place your cat and I -- and you -- have more in common than not.
    - paulcole 5y ago
      Yeah except as people we have options for how to respond to our needs and instincts. We can open a bottle of Evian instead of drinking from the toilet. We can cook an Impossible Burger instead of stalking, hunting, and devouring a cardinal in the front yard. We can run a bath instead of licking ourselves. We can realize having kids is a terrible choice given what we know about the world and choose to not have them.

ericmay 5y ago

Going to strongly push back on adoption being morally or ethically superior to having children the ole’ fashioned way because of climate change. I don’t see this as a productive train of thought and more likely solutions for climate change exist elsewhere. It’s ok to have kids. Adopting kids is nice and that’s ok too.

paulcole 5y ago
> more likely solutions for climate change exist elsewhere. Anybody who's having kids today sure better hope so.

alfor 5y ago

It’s a very pessimistic worldview. While it’s true that they are great filter ahead of us I think climate change is not the biggest concern. Look into Tony Seba to see how fast the transition to RE is happening. We could also geoengineering the climate if it become a real problem.

CRConrad 5y ago

> If that’s how a person without kids feels, isn’t having kids just creating another person who has to have kids to find meaning in their life (and on and on and on)? OK, so the meaning of our lives is to perpetuate the species. Not too bad; if it's good enough for (the other) animals, why not for us too? Ya want anything beyond that, it would logically have to be to make mankind of the future a better species than right now. Which of course you do by making your kids better persons than you are. So then you're back to them again.

paulcole 5y ago
> if it's good enough for (the other) animals, why not for us too? My cat drinks from the toilet.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  It's water. I drink water too. I didn't lick my kid clean when he was a baby either, but on the level of having him in the first place your cat and I -- and you -- have more in common than not.
  - paulcole 5y ago
    Yeah except as people we have options for how to respond to our needs and instincts. We can open a bottle of Evian instead of drinking from the toilet. We can cook an Impossible Burger instead of stalking, hunting, and devouring a cardinal in the front yard. We can run a bath instead of licking ourselves. We can realize having kids is a terrible choice given what we know about the world and choose to not have them.