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The last sentence is irony, right? And you're trying to imply that sanctions should bother F1 racing and Abramovich, and they should not bother people's vacatio

by Arnt 5y ago

The last sentence is irony, right? And you're trying to imply that sanctions should bother F1 racing and Abramovich, and they should not bother people's vacations. Both effects seem totally irrelevant AFAICT. Haas losing access to spare parts or not doesn't matter. The factories that build vehicles used for the invasion (directly or indirectly) should lose access to the parts they need. If the same rules also affect F1 racing, fine, if not, also fine, because the sanctions aren't intended to either protect or harm F1. And if people's vacations are ruined, that's also just an irrelevant detail. The sanctions are designed to stop the war, not to protect people's vacations.

necovek 5y ago
Haas F1 team sponsor was a Russian oligarch Mazepin, and his son was a driver for the team who was fired as they dropped the sponsorship: I apologize for not providing the details, but I thought that much was well known. These two oligarchs were just top of mind. It has nothing to do with whatever you are arguing about spare parts or whatnot. "Sanctions are designed to stop the war"? How's that coming along, then? What has derailed the war is Russian unpreparedness, Ukrainian resistance, and delivery of somewhat advanced weaponry to Ukraine army. Sanctions could only affect a war that lasts quite a bit longer. Sanctions are a tool that mostly affects the general population (see above), and as such are used as a feel-good tool to show how you are doing something. People can keep parroting that they help something else despite all the evidence to the contrary. Top Russian officials and oligarchs will figure out a way to do whatever they wanted through shell companies in non-sanctioning countries anyway, but regular people won't. And no, they won't bother overthrowing the government either, since this has never happened in the past in countries under sanctions (closest was South Africa) — people simply struggle to get by in those circumstances.
- Arnt 5y ago
  You've seen pictures of blown-up trucks. The factory that produced most of those trucks has stopped producing some (or most?) models. It "will" find Russian-made replacements for the gearboxes, engines and whatever else, but hasn't yet. It also "will" make gearboxes, but setting up the production line for that needs some German help. Overall, spare parts and new trucks to replace the blown-up ones seem scarce for quite a while. Your assertion that they "will figure out a way" may be true on a geological time scale, but do you think they'll figure it out this month? This year? This sucks more for the unemployed workers than for the owner, I'm sure. But even more for the army, which needs trucks and spare parts for its invasion.
  - necovek 5y ago
    I am not sure what you are talking about. It seems you are arguing how sanctions have made it impossible for Russian army to fix their vehicles in the short term because they need to import spare parts from sanctioning countries? I am pretty confident they have enough of them for whatever attacks they still plan to commit in Ukraine, and the only reason they are dropping their secondary objectives seems to be simply because they are realizing that that's not going to be realized (and that secondary objective seemed to have been "take Kyiv quickly and then pretend to be nice", but that has spectacularly failed, with huge losses on both side which only works against them). They are still dead serious in Eastern parts of Ukraine.

by Arnt 5y ago

necovek 5y ago

Haas F1 team sponsor was a Russian oligarch Mazepin, and his son was a driver for the team who was fired as they dropped the sponsorship: I apologize for not providing the details, but I thought that much was well known. These two oligarchs were just top of mind. It has nothing to do with whatever you are arguing about spare parts or whatnot. "Sanctions are designed to stop the war"? How's that coming along, then? What has derailed the war is Russian unpreparedness, Ukrainian resistance, and delivery of somewhat advanced weaponry to Ukraine army. Sanctions could only affect a war that lasts quite a bit longer. Sanctions are a tool that mostly affects the general population (see above), and as such are used as a feel-good tool to show how you are doing something. People can keep parroting that they help something else despite all the evidence to the contrary. Top Russian officials and oligarchs will figure out a way to do whatever they wanted through shell companies in non-sanctioning countries anyway, but regular people won't. And no, they won't bother overthrowing the government either, since this has never happened in the past in countries under sanctions (closest was South Africa) — people simply struggle to get by in those circumstances.

Arnt 5y ago
You've seen pictures of blown-up trucks. The factory that produced most of those trucks has stopped producing some (or most?) models. It "will" find Russian-made replacements for the gearboxes, engines and whatever else, but hasn't yet. It also "will" make gearboxes, but setting up the production line for that needs some German help. Overall, spare parts and new trucks to replace the blown-up ones seem scarce for quite a while. Your assertion that they "will figure out a way" may be true on a geological time scale, but do you think they'll figure it out this month? This year? This sucks more for the unemployed workers than for the owner, I'm sure. But even more for the army, which needs trucks and spare parts for its invasion.
- necovek 5y ago
  I am not sure what you are talking about. It seems you are arguing how sanctions have made it impossible for Russian army to fix their vehicles in the short term because they need to import spare parts from sanctioning countries? I am pretty confident they have enough of them for whatever attacks they still plan to commit in Ukraine, and the only reason they are dropping their secondary objectives seems to be simply because they are realizing that that's not going to be realized (and that secondary objective seemed to have been "take Kyiv quickly and then pretend to be nice", but that has spectacularly failed, with huge losses on both side which only works against them). They are still dead serious in Eastern parts of Ukraine.