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News for the Future of BeeWare

129 points by samwillis 5y ago

snthpy 5y ago
Great news!
thejosh 5y ago
This is fantastic news.
dagw 5y ago
Great news. BeeWare is one those projects I've been following for years, hoping that it would get just a bit more 'done' so that I could really start using it.
antman 5y ago
Considering that Anaconda removed its free license [0] I hope the project proceeds to also being pip installable. [0]:https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24974841 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24974841
- mellosouls 5y ago
  The free license has not been removed. Did you actually read the underlying resource[1] or am I missing something? It just requires for-profit or government organisations (with over 200 employees!) to purchase a commercial license. Seems more than reasonable tbh. I can see the "government organisation" being tricky though. What is the exact problem you are identifying? [1]https://www.anaconda.com/blog/anaconda-commercial-edition-faq https://www.anaconda.com/blog/anaconda-commercial-edition-fa... there will always be a free version of Anaconda for individual hobbyists, academics, non-profits, and small businesses
  - Macha 5y ago
    The free license has been severely curtailed. There are many organisations with >=200 employees which might have <=5 developers. In addition, while the client remains open source, the repository (which is almost as important for a package manager) is where the payments are enforced, and also unlike most code repositories, prohibits mirroring[1] https://www.anaconda.com/terms-of-service https://www.anaconda.com/terms-of-service
    - mellosouls 5y ago
      Perfectly fine to charge commercial organisations that can employ multiple devs, I don't see what the issue is for those .
  - Snitch-Thursday 5y ago
    I've not read the resource either, but it sounds like (from only reading your and GP comment) Anaconda moved something from free-as-in-freedom to free-as-in-beer-as-long-as-non-commercial. Which is reasonable enough to me.
shantnutiwari 5y ago
good news. Beeware are one set of tools I've been waiting to try forever (build iOs/Android Guis with Python? Sign me up!). But comments here warned me the tools were not stable and production ready. It would be nice to see them finally reach production level.
toyg 5y ago
Hopefully this allows BeeWare to become "the" python toolkit for mobile. We've been talking about this sort of thing for more than a decade at this point, and it's a shame that the big boys of the ecosystem (FAANG etc) have basically contributed nothing - choosing to go all in on JS tools instead.
- no_wizard 5y ago
  I think this says more about how hard it is to make Python performant for this than JavaScript. Additionally, don't discount that both of the mobile OS vendors maintain their own JS engines that are directly accessible on their platforms, which makes integration faster and easier to build bindings around.
gigatexal 5y ago
huge news, congrats! and thanks to the team at Anaconda!
giantg2 5y ago
Man, I got excited thinking it was a software suite for beekeeping.
- ryannevius 5y ago
  As someone with an interest in (but very little direct experience with) beekeeping, I'm curious what such a suite of tools would look like. All of the beekeepers in my area are very low tech.
  - giantg2 5y ago
    It depends on what scale they're targeting. Quick search show about a dozen options. It looks like most of them are about documenting hive characteristics and schedules (how old the queen is, when to treat the hive, mite counts, etc). I haven't really looked into them since I'm low tech about it too, and only have a handful of hives. I thought maybe this was an open source version that I could check out for free and maybe even get involved with. I was disappointed it wasn't about it at all. I wonder why/how they picked that name.
rob74 5y ago
Not being familiar with BeeWare, my first thought when reading the title was "oh no, another project shutting down?" - because without the "exciting" before it (which was probably removed to avoid appearing "spammy"), "News for the Future" sounds kind of ominous...
pacifika 5y ago
Beeware Projects: https://beeware.org/project/projects/ https://beeware.org/project/projects/
jdorfman 5y ago
My heart dropped when reading the title because Russell has dedicated years to BeeWare. As a non-code contributor to the project (years ago) I'm so happy to know BeeWare will be able to sustain itself for the foreseeable future. Congrats to Russell and his team. Props to Anaconda for being a good steward of the open source community.
rakibtg 5y ago
That's a developers dream come true there, super happy for you!

129 points by samwillis 5y ago

snthpy 5y ago

Great news!

thejosh 5y ago

This is fantastic news.

dagw 5y ago

Great news. BeeWare is one those projects I've been following for years, hoping that it would get just a bit more 'done' so that I could really start using it.

antman 5y ago

Considering that Anaconda removed its free license [0] I hope the project proceeds to also being pip installable. [0]:https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24974841 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24974841

mellosouls 5y ago
The free license has not been removed. Did you actually read the underlying resource[1] or am I missing something? It just requires for-profit or government organisations (with over 200 employees!) to purchase a commercial license. Seems more than reasonable tbh. I can see the "government organisation" being tricky though. What is the exact problem you are identifying? [1]https://www.anaconda.com/blog/anaconda-commercial-edition-faq https://www.anaconda.com/blog/anaconda-commercial-edition-fa... there will always be a free version of Anaconda for individual hobbyists, academics, non-profits, and small businesses
- Macha 5y ago
  The free license has been severely curtailed. There are many organisations with >=200 employees which might have <=5 developers. In addition, while the client remains open source, the repository (which is almost as important for a package manager) is where the payments are enforced, and also unlike most code repositories, prohibits mirroring[1] https://www.anaconda.com/terms-of-service https://www.anaconda.com/terms-of-service
  - mellosouls 5y ago
    Perfectly fine to charge commercial organisations that can employ multiple devs, I don't see what the issue is for those .
- Snitch-Thursday 5y ago
  I've not read the resource either, but it sounds like (from only reading your and GP comment) Anaconda moved something from free-as-in-freedom to free-as-in-beer-as-long-as-non-commercial. Which is reasonable enough to me.

shantnutiwari 5y ago

good news. Beeware are one set of tools I've been waiting to try forever (build iOs/Android Guis with Python? Sign me up!). But comments here warned me the tools were not stable and production ready. It would be nice to see them finally reach production level.

toyg 5y ago

Hopefully this allows BeeWare to become "the" python toolkit for mobile. We've been talking about this sort of thing for more than a decade at this point, and it's a shame that the big boys of the ecosystem (FAANG etc) have basically contributed nothing - choosing to go all in on JS tools instead.

no_wizard 5y ago
I think this says more about how hard it is to make Python performant for this than JavaScript. Additionally, don't discount that both of the mobile OS vendors maintain their own JS engines that are directly accessible on their platforms, which makes integration faster and easier to build bindings around.

gigatexal 5y ago

huge news, congrats! and thanks to the team at Anaconda!

giantg2 5y ago

Man, I got excited thinking it was a software suite for beekeeping.

ryannevius 5y ago
As someone with an interest in (but very little direct experience with) beekeeping, I'm curious what such a suite of tools would look like. All of the beekeepers in my area are very low tech.
- giantg2 5y ago
  It depends on what scale they're targeting. Quick search show about a dozen options. It looks like most of them are about documenting hive characteristics and schedules (how old the queen is, when to treat the hive, mite counts, etc). I haven't really looked into them since I'm low tech about it too, and only have a handful of hives. I thought maybe this was an open source version that I could check out for free and maybe even get involved with. I was disappointed it wasn't about it at all. I wonder why/how they picked that name.

rob74 5y ago

Not being familiar with BeeWare, my first thought when reading the title was "oh no, another project shutting down?" - because without the "exciting" before it (which was probably removed to avoid appearing "spammy"), "News for the Future" sounds kind of ominous...

pacifika 5y ago

Beeware Projects: https://beeware.org/project/projects/ https://beeware.org/project/projects/

jdorfman 5y ago

My heart dropped when reading the title because Russell has dedicated years to BeeWare. As a non-code contributor to the project (years ago) I'm so happy to know BeeWare will be able to sustain itself for the foreseeable future. Congrats to Russell and his team. Props to Anaconda for being a good steward of the open source community.

rakibtg 5y ago

That's a developers dream come true there, super happy for you!