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Super interesting how /r/coronavirus and 4chan were more accurate in their conclusions about Covid. Also it seem that institutions are deemed to feel, just how

Super interesting how /r/coronavirus and 4chan were more accurate in their conclusions about Covid. Also it seem that institutions are deemed to feel, just how I used to hear "religions are good but religious institutions are bad", it seem to start to apply to science now. It was disgusting how rabid were liberals about the whole Covid thing.

JetAlone 5y ago
Liberalism is about liberty. Those people haven't been acting as liberals. They've been acting as militant technocrats. That said, I'm willing to forgive anyone who's been living that way and realizes it's not gonna make for a particularly joyous human life. We're human, we get scared, we make mistakes.
- diffeomorphism 5y ago
  > Liberalism is about liberty. Only in the rest of the world. In the US that word was redefined to mean "people I do not like" and they use "libertarian" instead for the original meaning.
  - JetAlone 5y ago
    I thought about this a little more. The relationship of these "people I do not like" (though some of them are not so bad) to freedom exists - it's not liberal, it's libertine. You are free to play almost any way you want. You want to play all day with little children's toys well into your 40s? Go right ahead, you do you. Watch a show aimed at the opposite sex, while stuffing your face full of custom made toothpaste-flavoured corn chips? Nothing wrong with that. Got an absolutely bonkers kink, like uh, transforming people into cakes and sitting on them? Any judgment or concern about it is met with harsh reproach. The only sort of play that is obviously not tolerated is culture-jamming against the libertines. It's stupid, immature, in poor taste, morally reprehensible, selfish, deplorable, hypocritical, bigoted, alarmist, disingenuous, and sinful against the only commandment: "Do as thou wilt". This is our dungeon, in our fort, in what used to be your country. Go play somewhere else, and make sure we can't hear you.
    - diffeomorphism 5y ago
      Almost witty.
oh_sigh 5y ago
What were their conclusions about COVID? Did they actually have a consensus for their conclusions, or were there just some segment of the site saying one thing, some segment saying another thing, and we now remember only the segment that was saying the right thing?
- toomim 5y ago
  Having no consensus is more accurate than false consensus.
throwawaylinux 5y ago
It was disgusting how many people became totally close-minded, hateful authoritarian bullies regardless of who was "right" and even if there were no mistakes or blatant misrepresentation of risks and benefits of certain policies. - A person's bodily autonomy is the most fundamental freedom there is. Of course there is a balance to be weighed when it affects others, but there is no absolute right or wrong answer. - People absolutely are justified and right to question authority, politicians, self-proclaimed experts, pharmaceutical and medical corporations, as well as studies, data, and science. - Even if "the science" around the risk of covid and benefit of lockdowns was correct, the response to it is not scientific. Policy can take science or evidence into account, that doesn't mean it is science. You are not anti-science if you don't believe mandatory lockdowns and economic shutdowns was a good policy.
- statop 5y ago
  Amazing that in reply to an article about Covid being classified as airborne and transmitted as an aerosol, with specific concern for indoor venues due to wide variation in ventilation, there are still comments like this this about bodily autonomy. As if clothes weren’t already a requirement for visiting your public venue of choice.
  - throwawaylinux 5y ago
    "But clothes" isn't an argument.
    - statop 5y ago
      Very compelling. Go on then, tell us why you feel a mask is an infringement on your bodily autonomy but pants shirt shoes aren’t.
      - throwawaylinux 5y ago
        Strawman. Not an argument.
beebmam 5y ago
>Super interesting how /r/coronavirus and 4chan were more accurate in their conclusions about Covid. Turns out if you state virtually every possible conclusion, some of them will be accurate in the end
licebmi__at__ 5y ago
>Super interesting how /r/coronavirus and 4chan were more accurate in their conclusions about Covid. Yeah, I mean, who would have thought that the globohomo cabal was behind it all along... oh you mean that they were more accurate on the 10% non crazy stuff they say?
yodelshady 5y ago
Non-experts have no credibility to lose, nobody remembers or cares when their predictions are wrong. So what's the risk in concluding before you have all the data? Experts are pinning their credibility on the line - not even if they issue every guess under a giant glowing banner saying "THIS IS JUST A GUESS WE DO NOT HAVE THE DATA TO BE DEFINITIVE YET". So: they're slower. I am not, incidentally, saying WHO's response is perfect.

JetAlone 5y ago

Liberalism is about liberty. Those people haven't been acting as liberals. They've been acting as militant technocrats. That said, I'm willing to forgive anyone who's been living that way and realizes it's not gonna make for a particularly joyous human life. We're human, we get scared, we make mistakes.

diffeomorphism 5y ago
> Liberalism is about liberty. Only in the rest of the world. In the US that word was redefined to mean "people I do not like" and they use "libertarian" instead for the original meaning.
- JetAlone 5y ago
  I thought about this a little more. The relationship of these "people I do not like" (though some of them are not so bad) to freedom exists - it's not liberal, it's libertine. You are free to play almost any way you want. You want to play all day with little children's toys well into your 40s? Go right ahead, you do you. Watch a show aimed at the opposite sex, while stuffing your face full of custom made toothpaste-flavoured corn chips? Nothing wrong with that. Got an absolutely bonkers kink, like uh, transforming people into cakes and sitting on them? Any judgment or concern about it is met with harsh reproach. The only sort of play that is obviously not tolerated is culture-jamming against the libertines. It's stupid, immature, in poor taste, morally reprehensible, selfish, deplorable, hypocritical, bigoted, alarmist, disingenuous, and sinful against the only commandment: "Do as thou wilt". This is our dungeon, in our fort, in what used to be your country. Go play somewhere else, and make sure we can't hear you.
  - diffeomorphism 5y ago
    Almost witty.

oh_sigh 5y ago

What were their conclusions about COVID? Did they actually have a consensus for their conclusions, or were there just some segment of the site saying one thing, some segment saying another thing, and we now remember only the segment that was saying the right thing?

toomim 5y ago
Having no consensus is more accurate than false consensus.

throwawaylinux 5y ago

It was disgusting how many people became totally close-minded, hateful authoritarian bullies regardless of who was "right" and even if there were no mistakes or blatant misrepresentation of risks and benefits of certain policies. - A person's bodily autonomy is the most fundamental freedom there is. Of course there is a balance to be weighed when it affects others, but there is no absolute right or wrong answer. - People absolutely are justified and right to question authority, politicians, self-proclaimed experts, pharmaceutical and medical corporations, as well as studies, data, and science. - Even if "the science" around the risk of covid and benefit of lockdowns was correct, the response to it is not scientific. Policy can take science or evidence into account, that doesn't mean it is science. You are not anti-science if you don't believe mandatory lockdowns and economic shutdowns was a good policy.

statop 5y ago
Amazing that in reply to an article about Covid being classified as airborne and transmitted as an aerosol, with specific concern for indoor venues due to wide variation in ventilation, there are still comments like this this about bodily autonomy. As if clothes weren’t already a requirement for visiting your public venue of choice.
- throwawaylinux 5y ago
  "But clothes" isn't an argument.
  - statop 5y ago
    Very compelling. Go on then, tell us why you feel a mask is an infringement on your bodily autonomy but pants shirt shoes aren’t.
    - throwawaylinux 5y ago
      Strawman. Not an argument.

beebmam 5y ago

>Super interesting how /r/coronavirus and 4chan were more accurate in their conclusions about Covid. Turns out if you state virtually every possible conclusion, some of them will be accurate in the end

licebmi__at__ 5y ago

>Super interesting how /r/coronavirus and 4chan were more accurate in their conclusions about Covid. Yeah, I mean, who would have thought that the globohomo cabal was behind it all along... oh you mean that they were more accurate on the 10% non crazy stuff they say?

yodelshady 5y ago

Non-experts have no credibility to lose, nobody remembers or cares when their predictions are wrong. So what's the risk in concluding before you have all the data? Experts are pinning their credibility on the line - not even if they issue every guess under a giant glowing banner saying "THIS IS JUST A GUESS WE DO NOT HAVE THE DATA TO BE DEFINITIVE YET". So: they're slower. I am not, incidentally, saying WHO's response is perfect.