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I don't think it's necessarily certain villainy for those who fight that fight as long as they are fighting it correctly. There's a huge case to be made that f
by kromem 5y ago
I don't think it's necessarily certain villainy for those who fight that fight as long as they are fighting it correctly.
There's a huge case to be made that flooding the darknet with AI generated CP reduces the revictimization of those in authentic CP images, and would cut down on the motivating factors to produce authentic CP (for which original production is often a requirement to join CP distribution rings).
As well, I have wondered for a long time how the development of AI generated CP could be used in treatment settings, such as (a) providing access to victimless images in exchange for registration and undergoing treatment, and (b) exploring if possible to manipulate generated images over time to gradually "age up" attraction, such as learning what characteristics are being selected for and aging the others until you end up with someone attracted to youthful faces on adult bodies or adult faces on bodies with smaller sexual characteristics, etc - ideally finding a middle ground that allows for rewiring attraction to a point they can find fulfilling partnerships with consenting adults/sex workers.
As a society we largely just sweep the existence of pedophiles under the rug, and that certainly hasn't helped protect people - nearly one in four are victims of sexual abuse before adulthood, and that tracks with my own social circle.
Maybe it's time to all grow up and recognize it as a systemic social issue for which new and novel approaches may be necessary, and AI seems like a tool with very high potential for doing just that while reducing harm on victims in broad swaths.
I'd not be that happy with an 8chan AI just spitting out CP images, but I'd be very happy with groups currently working on the issue from a treatment or victim-focus having the ability to change the script however they can with the availability of victimless CP content.
- aliakhtar 5y agoHow do you suppose your CP generator will be trained without using authentic CP images? Not only will that require revictimization but you’ll also be downloading CP to train the model.
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- Fernicia 5y agoDid they need to put possums in space suits to tell Dell-E 2 how to render them?
- aliakhtar 5y agoNo because there are lots of photos of possum and space that it has seen
- hollowpython 5y agoNo, but kid genitalia pictures would need to be provided, right?
- Sargos 5y agoThere are tons of legal medical images of that content as well. Training wouldn't require any damaging material.
- JohnBooty 5y agoThought-provoking post, thanks. Especially the part about maybe generating specifically tailored material to "train" folks. Although, while obviously moral instead of immoral like "gay conversion therapy", I wonder if it would be just as ineffective. and would cut down on the motivating factors to produce authentic CP (for which original production is often a requirement to join CP distribution rings). Hmmmmm. Will machine-generated "normal" (i.e., non-CP) porn really eliminate the motivating factors to produce normal porn? I obviously can't speak for enjoyers of CP. But when watching normal porn, I think part of the thrill for many/most people is knowing that what's happening is real. Another potential risk is that a flood of publicly available, machine-generated CP might actually help the producers and distributors of real CP by serving as camouflage. Finding and prosecuting the people who make real CP is difficult enough already. Now, imagine if the good guys couldn't even reliably tell what was real and there were 100000x as many fake images as real ones floating around. Yikes.
- danbruc 5y agoBut when watching normal porn, I think part of the thrill for many/most people is knowing that what's happening is real. Unless you understand real to just mean that actual humans were involved, describing porn as real seems to be a bit of a stretch more often than not.
- JohnBooty 5y agoI gave my audience a bit of credit there. I am assuming that any adult reading this understands that professional porn is quite different from the sex most of us experience in our private lives in a number of major ways, both emotionally and physically.[1] But anyway, yes. By "real" I mean "real human beings, having real sex." ---- [1] There is a lot of homemade, amateur porn on the big well-known porn sites and it seems quite popular, and much of that is closer to what typical folks do at home. But that's beside the point.
- Szpadel 5y ago> Finding and prosecuting the people who make real CP is difficult enough already. let's assume that AI generated CP should be illegal. Does it mean that possession of model that is able to generate such content should also be illegal? If not, then it's easy to just generate content on the fly and do not store anything illegal. But when we make model illegal, then how do you enforce that? Models are versatile enough to generate a lot of different content, how do you decide if ability to generate illegal content is just a byproduct or purpose of that model?
- egeozcan 5y ago> exploring if possible to manipulate generated images over time to gradually "age up" attraction If people already accepted that they need help, there are many good ways to treat people with unwanted sexual obsessions (trying to choose my words carefully here). I honestly don't think that it would help them to serve them more content. However, I'd love to see some research to explore the possibility of involving machine generated content in psychological treatment. The core of your idea is IMHO brilliant.