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I am not a fan of Vercel's strategy, but exactly how is the open source and MIT licensed Next.js a walled garden?

by n42 5y ago

colejohnson66 5y ago
It's not. Next.js works on any platform supporting Node, and Vercel supports more than just Next.js. They support dozens of other frameworks.[0] They do promote Next.js on Vercel, but they don't stop you from using other systems. [0]: https://vercel.com/new/templates https://vercel.com/new/templates
- o_m 5y ago
  Hosting next.js on Vercel and Azure is like night and day. A lot of smaller things start breaking, like `NEXT_PUBLIC_` environment variables. For me coming from Vercel, using Azure has been an uphill battle.
- sillysaurusx 5y ago
  Ever since Vercel killed `now`'s ability to serve an index.html with `now .`, I stopped being a fan. That and the pricing blunders have unfortunately pushed me away. On the other hand, https://docs.ycombinator.lol/ https://docs.ycombinator.lol/ has been running for years without me ever having to worry once, so there's that. Maybe it's time to give them another try.
  - Rauchg 5y ago
    That never stopped working. Neither on the edge side (as your live site indicates, which has been edge cached for 109 days in San Francisco), or on the deployment site, as the example below shows: Try it out: https://hi-there.vercel.app https://hi-there.vercel.app ▲ /tmp/ mkdir hi-there ▲ /tmp/ cd hi-there ▲ hi-there/ echo '<h1>hi sillysaurusx</h1>' > index.html ▲ hi-there/ vc […] Inspect: https://vercel.com/rauchg/hi-there [690ms] Production: https://hi-there.vercel.app [copied to clipboard] [9s] In under 10s which includes the project setup and linking prompts. The main difference is that `now` got shorter to `vc` Happy to hear more feedback on pricing. Please reach out to rauchg@vercel.com
    - mushyhammer 5y ago
      Sorry Guillermo but you’re not being truthful here. “$ now” worked on any node server, not just static content, it would just run “npm start”. Now v2+ instead requires a handler-based approach.
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      - Rauchg 5y ago
        I think I misunderstood his comment. I focused on the `index.html` example, but I think he was talking about servers (thanks for pointing that out). That said, the transition was good for servers too depending on what you were using. For example, `package.json` with Next.js was completely seamless!
    - sillysaurusx 5y ago
      Happy to hear that. It did, at one point -- I am quite certain of this -- but that was years ago. I think it was in the transition between now and vercel. Back then, `now` had some sort of requirement where it only worked automatically if the folder had a package.json file. A plain index.html file required configuration. Delighted to see that this is no longer the case. I'll give `vc` a shot. The pricing issues stemmed from the fact that I use updown.io to monitor my domains. Since it pings them every 15 minutes or so, and since vercel spins up servers on demand, that means I was paying for essentially 24/7 service, which was an unwelcome bill over what I signed up for. Customer support gave a 50% refund, which I appreciated, and I've downgraded to a free account ever since.

I am not a fan of Vercel's strategy, but exactly how is the open source and MIT licensed Next.js a walled garden?

by n42 5y ago

I am not a fan of Vercel's strategy, but exactly how is the open source and MIT licensed Next.js a walled garden?

It's not. Next.js works on any platform supporting Node, and Vercel supports more than just Next.js. They support dozens of other frameworks.[0] They do promote Next.js on Vercel, but they don't stop you from using other systems. [0]: https://vercel.com/new/templates https://vercel.com/new/templates

o_m 5y ago
Hosting next.js on Vercel and Azure is like night and day. A lot of smaller things start breaking, like `NEXT_PUBLIC_` environment variables. For me coming from Vercel, using Azure has been an uphill battle.
sillysaurusx 5y ago
Ever since Vercel killed `now`'s ability to serve an index.html with `now .`, I stopped being a fan. That and the pricing blunders have unfortunately pushed me away. On the other hand, https://docs.ycombinator.lol/ https://docs.ycombinator.lol/ has been running for years without me ever having to worry once, so there's that. Maybe it's time to give them another try.
- Rauchg 5y ago
  That never stopped working. Neither on the edge side (as your live site indicates, which has been edge cached for 109 days in San Francisco), or on the deployment site, as the example below shows: Try it out: https://hi-there.vercel.app https://hi-there.vercel.app ▲ /tmp/ mkdir hi-there ▲ /tmp/ cd hi-there ▲ hi-there/ echo '<h1>hi sillysaurusx</h1>' > index.html ▲ hi-there/ vc […] Inspect: https://vercel.com/rauchg/hi-there [690ms] Production: https://hi-there.vercel.app [copied to clipboard] [9s] In under 10s which includes the project setup and linking prompts. The main difference is that `now` got shorter to `vc` Happy to hear more feedback on pricing. Please reach out to rauchg@vercel.com
  - mushyhammer 5y ago
    Sorry Guillermo but you’re not being truthful here. “$ now” worked on any node server, not just static content, it would just run “npm start”. Now v2+ instead requires a handler-based approach.
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
    - Rauchg 5y ago
      I think I misunderstood his comment. I focused on the `index.html` example, but I think he was talking about servers (thanks for pointing that out). That said, the transition was good for servers too depending on what you were using. For example, `package.json` with Next.js was completely seamless!
  - sillysaurusx 5y ago
    Happy to hear that. It did, at one point -- I am quite certain of this -- but that was years ago. I think it was in the transition between now and vercel. Back then, `now` had some sort of requirement where it only worked automatically if the folder had a package.json file. A plain index.html file required configuration. Delighted to see that this is no longer the case. I'll give `vc` a shot. The pricing issues stemmed from the fact that I use updown.io to monitor my domains. Since it pings them every 15 minutes or so, and since vercel spins up servers on demand, that means I was paying for essentially 24/7 service, which was an unwelcome bill over what I signed up for. Customer support gave a 50% refund, which I appreciated, and I've downgraded to a free account ever since.