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I'm not sure who you think you're getting back at here. Sex workers aren't a left cancel culture monolith. And it's not like Twitter only bans some people with

I'm not sure who you think you're getting back at here. Sex workers aren't a left cancel culture monolith. And it's not like Twitter only bans some people with partiucular politics. Their reporting and review is so bad, I once received a 7 day ban for telling a newspaper to "cease existing" (exact words, probably banworthy had they been aimed at an actual person, but well, wishing bankruptcy on a newspaper isn't exactly the same).

colpabar 5y ago
I am aware my comment is childish and not really worthy of the standards of this website. But I don't mean to "get back" at sex workers, I mean to "get back" at hypocrites who all seem to universally love the private-company/just-build-your-own-X argument when someone they don't like is deplatformed. I find it amusing that no one ever seems to make that argument when someone on their side is the victim. edit: I also just find it very odd and disappointing that so many on the left are so eager to defend the "rights" of massive multinational corporations. As someone who used to be proud to call myself a democrat, what the hell is that about??? >Their reporting and review is so bad, I once received a 7 day ban for telling a newspaper to "cease existing" (exact words, probably banworthy had they been aimed at an actual person, but well, wishing bankruptcy on a newspaper isn't exactly the same). Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about hate speech laws?
- sascha_sl 5y ago
  I feel very okay about hate speech laws, if they're reasonable. I don't subscribe to the notion of absolute free speech where what is acceptable speech is inevitably a slippery slope and thus you should just allow all of it. No implementation is perfect, but I do think my place of residence (Germany) does reasonably well. I'm also frequently the target of hate speech and a cult that wants to see people like me eliminated from society exists freely on Twitter, but that is not down to it being impossible to moderate them, that's because moderation on Twitter is an uncoordinated afterthought executed by an overworked and underpaid workforce that does not get nuance. For instance, I'm regularly told to "join the 41%". That's code for "trans people that attempt suicide". Twitter doesn't care.
  - colpabar 5y ago
    >I feel very okay about hate speech laws, if they're reasonable. Well I don't know what to tell you, because one way to describe what happened to you is that twitter removed an account that uses hate speech. What you said can easily be interpreted as "kill yourself", and if you think that's silly because it's a newspaper and not an individual, I would agree. But that is the "slippery slope" that you seem to dismiss while being a victim of it. edit: >I'm also frequently the target of hate speech and a cult that wants to see people like me eliminated from society exists freely on Twitter Another question for my curious mind - do you know what BNWO stands for?
    - sascha_sl 5y ago
      You missed the entire point of "I am okay with moderating hate speech if done with the sufficient nuance" despite me providing two very different instances of that not happening leading to a bad outcomes - one with too much interference and with with lack thereof. And no, I have no interest in fetish race play terminology? Or are you being serious? Sorry, but last I checked the GC cult had actual backing by russian dark money and conservative think tanks like Heritage[1] while black fascism exists mostly in the minds of few right wingers. [1]: https://xtramagazine.com/power/far-right-feminist-fascist-220810 https://xtramagazine.com/power/far-right-feminist-fascist-22...

colpabar 5y ago

I am aware my comment is childish and not really worthy of the standards of this website. But I don't mean to "get back" at sex workers, I mean to "get back" at hypocrites who all seem to universally love the private-company/just-build-your-own-X argument when someone they don't like is deplatformed. I find it amusing that no one ever seems to make that argument when someone on their side is the victim. edit: I also just find it very odd and disappointing that so many on the left are so eager to defend the "rights" of massive multinational corporations. As someone who used to be proud to call myself a democrat, what the hell is that about??? >Their reporting and review is so bad, I once received a 7 day ban for telling a newspaper to "cease existing" (exact words, probably banworthy had they been aimed at an actual person, but well, wishing bankruptcy on a newspaper isn't exactly the same). Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about hate speech laws?

sascha_sl 5y ago
I feel very okay about hate speech laws, if they're reasonable. I don't subscribe to the notion of absolute free speech where what is acceptable speech is inevitably a slippery slope and thus you should just allow all of it. No implementation is perfect, but I do think my place of residence (Germany) does reasonably well. I'm also frequently the target of hate speech and a cult that wants to see people like me eliminated from society exists freely on Twitter, but that is not down to it being impossible to moderate them, that's because moderation on Twitter is an uncoordinated afterthought executed by an overworked and underpaid workforce that does not get nuance. For instance, I'm regularly told to "join the 41%". That's code for "trans people that attempt suicide". Twitter doesn't care.
- colpabar 5y ago
  >I feel very okay about hate speech laws, if they're reasonable. Well I don't know what to tell you, because one way to describe what happened to you is that twitter removed an account that uses hate speech. What you said can easily be interpreted as "kill yourself", and if you think that's silly because it's a newspaper and not an individual, I would agree. But that is the "slippery slope" that you seem to dismiss while being a victim of it. edit: >I'm also frequently the target of hate speech and a cult that wants to see people like me eliminated from society exists freely on Twitter Another question for my curious mind - do you know what BNWO stands for?
  - sascha_sl 5y ago
    You missed the entire point of "I am okay with moderating hate speech if done with the sufficient nuance" despite me providing two very different instances of that not happening leading to a bad outcomes - one with too much interference and with with lack thereof. And no, I have no interest in fetish race play terminology? Or are you being serious? Sorry, but last I checked the GC cult had actual backing by russian dark money and conservative think tanks like Heritage[1] while black fascism exists mostly in the minds of few right wingers. [1]: https://xtramagazine.com/power/far-right-feminist-fascist-220810 https://xtramagazine.com/power/far-right-feminist-fascist-22...