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>I believe the ideal use case for this app is on residential streets where the chances of impact with a pedestrian or child playing are sufficiently high to war

by zionic 4y ago

>I believe the ideal use case for this app is on residential streets where the chances of impact with a pedestrian or child playing are sufficiently high to warrant a low speed limit? Case in point. Many neighborhoods have 15mph limits and speed bumps. Everyone drives 25-30 plus and it's far from mad-max. We live in a world where exceeding this particular "limit" by 60% is not only safe, it's common. On first glance it just seems stupid, but on deeper inspection the real goal of these systems becomes obvious. If everyone is speeding, you can arbitrarily pull over anyone at any time with legal justification. These types of selective enforcement schemes are how bias slips in to what should be deterministic systems.

danhor 4y ago
Well, almost all reasons to enforce the speed limit (playing kids, pedestrians) have been eliminated over the years. But increasing the speed limit now will probably not reduce speeding, since residential roads in the US are way overbuilt. Speeding is probably one of the reasons why there are almost no pedestrians and kids on suburban streets now.
- zionic 4y ago
  This is another thing I hate about the term "speeding". It makes no distinction between someone doing 55 in a 15mph neighborhood with playing kids, and someone doing 90 on an autobahn-tier controlled access highway with no traffic.
dazc 4y ago
> We live in a world where exceeding this particular "limit" by 60% is not only safe, it's common. It's funny how there are so many road accidents caused by people with this very same attitude. Since it isn't their poor driving that's at fault, obviously, what do suggest is?
- zionic 4y ago
  I'd argue distracted driving is far more causative than the speed limit. Remember that my 60% claim was someone doing 25 in a 15 in a neighborhood. 15 mph is unreasonably slow in even the worst-case scenario. The real speed-do-not-exceed in my neighborhood is 35MPH, but instead of setting that and enforcing even 1MPH over they set the speed limit to 15 hoping people actually go 25-30. My argument is that this system is stupid and should be reformed.

by zionic 4y ago

danhor 4y ago

Well, almost all reasons to enforce the speed limit (playing kids, pedestrians) have been eliminated over the years. But increasing the speed limit now will probably not reduce speeding, since residential roads in the US are way overbuilt. Speeding is probably one of the reasons why there are almost no pedestrians and kids on suburban streets now.

zionic 4y ago
This is another thing I hate about the term "speeding". It makes no distinction between someone doing 55 in a 15mph neighborhood with playing kids, and someone doing 90 on an autobahn-tier controlled access highway with no traffic.

dazc 4y ago

> We live in a world where exceeding this particular "limit" by 60% is not only safe, it's common. It's funny how there are so many road accidents caused by people with this very same attitude. Since it isn't their poor driving that's at fault, obviously, what do suggest is?

zionic 4y ago
I'd argue distracted driving is far more causative than the speed limit. Remember that my 60% claim was someone doing 25 in a 15 in a neighborhood. 15 mph is unreasonably slow in even the worst-case scenario. The real speed-do-not-exceed in my neighborhood is 35MPH, but instead of setting that and enforcing even 1MPH over they set the speed limit to 15 hoping people actually go 25-30. My argument is that this system is stupid and should be reformed.