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What does "boring Java-like syntax" mean? Can anyone show some quick examples of a boring and a not boring syntax?

by iaskwhy 15y ago

nailer 15y ago
Requiring a function for a simple print statement, perhaps? The demo breaks when you remove the surrounding main() loop.
cubicle67 15y ago
someString.append(System.getProperty("line.separator")); vs some_string += "\n" Edit: Someone's in disagreement with me, so I'll try and clarify. I'd classify boring code as code where the intent gets lost in the syntax/language or other constructs the maintainer of the code doesn't care about but are required anyway. Trying to open and read a file in Java is probably a better example as the intent (open this file and read the contents) is buried in about 6 lines of boilerplate code I use Java as an example because in a previous life I used to write it and see this as perfectly acceptable
- dextorious 15y ago
  Well, for one you can probably make your own "+=" for strings, if not available, since Dart has operator overloading. Also, System.getProperty("line.separator") does not translate to n"\n". The first makes your program more portable. Of course it could be made accesible easier, eg as a constant System.NEWLINE or something. [UPDATE] Downvote? Really? Because someone thinks "\n" is the same as "line.separator"?
  - nmcfarl 15y ago
    Of course they could have taken perl's tact and defined "\n" to mean System.NEWLINE not 0x0A. That would have been an improvement right there.
  - jeltz 15y ago
    Indeed they do not translate into the same thing. But neither makes your program more or less portable in itself. It all depends on what you want to use it for. Some files and protocols should always have \n some always \r\n while in some cases it should be the system line separator. I think Python, Perl, C, and Ruby have fixed that quite well by making the IO library do the conversions. I do not remember if it is the same in Java.
  - d0mine 15y ago
    I didn't downvote, but see universal newline support in Python http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0278/ http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0278/
highwind81 15y ago
Circle my_circle = new Circle(); I have to type the word circle 3 times to define a circle. It gets boring. This gets worse if you are trying to do any kind of user input. BufferedReader my_reader = new BufferedReader(new InputStreamReader(System.in)); Had to type reader 4 times. :(
- seasoup 15y ago
  People can argue with "boring", call it redundant instead and you'll get less harsh feedback.
- iaskwhy 15y ago
  But is it something people actually type? I haven't played with Java for almost ten years now but I do C# for a living which is pretty similar and I can't remember the last time I had to type something that long, Visual Studio does it for me. I can see the point if you say it's longer to read but it's also much clearer, isn't it?
  - Peaker 15y ago
    Redundancy is noise.. How is it any clearer to read?
    - iaskwhy 15y ago
      How's that redundant? In C# you would just "var something = new object()", so there wouldn't be any redundancy at all.
      - Peaker 15y ago
        I was replying to: "Visual Studio does it for me. I can see the point if you say it's longer to read but it's also much clearer," So he's saying that: Circle circle = new Circle() is typed by Visual Studio for you, and clearer to read. I don't think it's clearer to read.
        15y ago

What does "boring Java-like syntax" mean? Can anyone show some quick examples of a boring and a not boring syntax?

by iaskwhy 15y ago

What does "boring Java-like syntax" mean? Can anyone show some quick examples of a boring and a not boring syntax?

Requiring a function for a simple print statement, perhaps? The demo breaks when you remove the surrounding main() loop.

cubicle67 15y ago

someString.append(System.getProperty("line.separator")); vs some_string += "\n" Edit: Someone's in disagreement with me, so I'll try and clarify. I'd classify boring code as code where the intent gets lost in the syntax/language or other constructs the maintainer of the code doesn't care about but are required anyway. Trying to open and read a file in Java is probably a better example as the intent (open this file and read the contents) is buried in about 6 lines of boilerplate code I use Java as an example because in a previous life I used to write it and see this as perfectly acceptable

dextorious 15y ago
Well, for one you can probably make your own "+=" for strings, if not available, since Dart has operator overloading. Also, System.getProperty("line.separator") does not translate to n"\n". The first makes your program more portable. Of course it could be made accesible easier, eg as a constant System.NEWLINE or something. [UPDATE] Downvote? Really? Because someone thinks "\n" is the same as "line.separator"?
- nmcfarl 15y ago
  Of course they could have taken perl's tact and defined "\n" to mean System.NEWLINE not 0x0A. That would have been an improvement right there.
- jeltz 15y ago
  Indeed they do not translate into the same thing. But neither makes your program more or less portable in itself. It all depends on what you want to use it for. Some files and protocols should always have \n some always \r\n while in some cases it should be the system line separator. I think Python, Perl, C, and Ruby have fixed that quite well by making the IO library do the conversions. I do not remember if it is the same in Java.
- d0mine 15y ago
  I didn't downvote, but see universal newline support in Python http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0278/ http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0278/

highwind81 15y ago

Circle my_circle = new Circle(); I have to type the word circle 3 times to define a circle. It gets boring. This gets worse if you are trying to do any kind of user input. BufferedReader my_reader = new BufferedReader(new InputStreamReader(System.in)); Had to type reader 4 times. :(

seasoup 15y ago
People can argue with "boring", call it redundant instead and you'll get less harsh feedback.
iaskwhy 15y ago
But is it something people actually type? I haven't played with Java for almost ten years now but I do C# for a living which is pretty similar and I can't remember the last time I had to type something that long, Visual Studio does it for me. I can see the point if you say it's longer to read but it's also much clearer, isn't it?
- Peaker 15y ago
  Redundancy is noise.. How is it any clearer to read?
  - iaskwhy 15y ago
    How's that redundant? In C# you would just "var something = new object()", so there wouldn't be any redundancy at all.
    - Peaker 15y ago
      I was replying to: "Visual Studio does it for me. I can see the point if you say it's longer to read but it's also much clearer," So he's saying that: Circle circle = new Circle() is typed by Visual Studio for you, and clearer to read. I don't think it's clearer to read.
      - 15y ago