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Speeding kills and seriously injures people. Being afraid someone's going to go unstable doesn't make it any less so. Your lawn, despite having a such neighb

Speeding kills and seriously injures people. Being afraid someone's going to go unstable doesn't make it any less so. Your lawn, despite having a such neighbourhood zoning laws that dictate maintaining a lawn, specifically a lawn, or preventing washing lines, as much as an oddity as they are for someone alien to them, does not. Not a good comparison.

akira2501 5y ago
It also tends to kill the person doing the speeding, which is something they probably know, and they choose to do it anyway. Seeing that as an opportunity to inject yourself into an enforcement role does not seem like a decision designed to actually improve safety for everyone. Some areas in China had a program like this. Turn people in, get a payment from the local government. What you would see is people going out, intentionally driving badly near other drivers in an effort to get them to speed away or make an illegal move just to get away from them, or to even start road raging in return and then they would start recording after the fact. Finally, the last time I looked at the data, the correlation between speed and pedestrian deaths was not at all clear. Time of day was a much stronger point of correlation. The majority of pedestrian deaths happen after sun down and on the sides of road types you would not expect. I'm not sure how arming people with this rather unsocial technology is going to solve this exact problem.
- usefulcat 5y ago
  > It also tends to kill the person doing the speeding Most definitely not true when the speeding motorist hits a pedestrian or a cyclist.
  - zionic 5y ago
    This is only a problem because of our absolutely crap-tier city design. 5,000lb, 100+mph (capable) motor vehicles are in an entirely different class than pedestrians and cyclists. They really should have segmented transit options.
    - sagarm 5y ago
      The reality on the ground is that 1) pedestrians, cyclists, and drivers have to share space 2) speed limits aren't enforced on drivers 3) drivers that hit pedestrians at 40mph kill 50% of their victims; at 25mph, they only kill 10%.[1] (1) is further exacerbated by the fact that any attempt to create space for pedestrians and cyclists by necessity requires repurposing space optimized for vehicles, and drivers oppose this tooth and nail. An app is a crap solution, but anything that might help hold dangerous drivers accountable helps. [1] https://aaafoundation.org/impact-speed-pedestrians-risk-severe-injury-death/#:~:text=The%20average%20risk%20of%20death,Risks%20vary%20significantly%20by%20age https://aaafoundation.org/impact-speed-pedestrians-risk-seve....
zionic 5y ago
>Speeding kills and seriously injures people. No, delta-speed kills and seriously injures people. I was stoped on an off ramp yesterday in traffic with cars passing feet from me going 55+ mph. This was FAR more dangerous than being in a group of cars going 85mph in good conditions on a controlled access superhighway. US speed limits are a joke and aren't even taken seriously by the people whose job it is to enforce them. Most of the US lets you go 10+ over with near-zero chance of police interdiction.
- btrettel 5y ago
  > No, delta-speed kills and seriously injures people. Both are dangerous. I've heard the delta-speed argument a lot before and its proponents do a good job explaining why it's bad, but the fact is that absolute speed does matter a lot too. Plus, delta-speed practically equals speed when a vehicle collides with a relatively stationary object like a pedestrian or a cyclist.
  - zionic 5y ago
    >Plus, delta-speed practically equals speed when a vehicle collides with a relatively stationary object like a pedestrian or a cyclist. If your road/city/transportation system is _routinely_ creating high delta-speed (and delta-mass) interactions then it is poorly designed. As I said elsewhere I have nothing against bikes, but I do have a bone to pick with people who suggest cars/bikes/pedestrians belong on the same grid such that they routinely interface with one another.
    - btrettel 5y ago
      > As I said elsewhere I have nothing against bikes, but I do have a bone to pick with people who suggest cars/bikes/pedestrians belong on the same grid such that they routinely interface with one another. Do you believe that for roads with speed limits 25 mph or below?
giarc 5y ago
A random person standing on the side of the road filming cars driving by doesn't stop speeding, it just distracts an already speeding driver. It potentially makes the situation worse.
- mikem170 5y ago
  I believe the plan is that the person filming can send the footage/evidence to the police and then the driver/owner would be fined.
cupofpython 5y ago
collisions kill people, not speeding tbh that's not even entirely tongue in cheek either. speeding is very rarely the cause of collisions imo. As a disclaimer, I also believe drivers are solely responsible for accidents rather than phones taking partial responsibility when texting and driving is applicable, so maybe I am not aligned with the public on this subject in general

akira2501 5y ago

It also tends to kill the person doing the speeding, which is something they probably know, and they choose to do it anyway. Seeing that as an opportunity to inject yourself into an enforcement role does not seem like a decision designed to actually improve safety for everyone. Some areas in China had a program like this. Turn people in, get a payment from the local government. What you would see is people going out, intentionally driving badly near other drivers in an effort to get them to speed away or make an illegal move just to get away from them, or to even start road raging in return and then they would start recording after the fact. Finally, the last time I looked at the data, the correlation between speed and pedestrian deaths was not at all clear. Time of day was a much stronger point of correlation. The majority of pedestrian deaths happen after sun down and on the sides of road types you would not expect. I'm not sure how arming people with this rather unsocial technology is going to solve this exact problem.

usefulcat 5y ago
> It also tends to kill the person doing the speeding Most definitely not true when the speeding motorist hits a pedestrian or a cyclist.
- zionic 5y ago
  This is only a problem because of our absolutely crap-tier city design. 5,000lb, 100+mph (capable) motor vehicles are in an entirely different class than pedestrians and cyclists. They really should have segmented transit options.
  - sagarm 5y ago
    The reality on the ground is that 1) pedestrians, cyclists, and drivers have to share space 2) speed limits aren't enforced on drivers 3) drivers that hit pedestrians at 40mph kill 50% of their victims; at 25mph, they only kill 10%.[1] (1) is further exacerbated by the fact that any attempt to create space for pedestrians and cyclists by necessity requires repurposing space optimized for vehicles, and drivers oppose this tooth and nail. An app is a crap solution, but anything that might help hold dangerous drivers accountable helps. [1] https://aaafoundation.org/impact-speed-pedestrians-risk-severe-injury-death/#:~:text=The%20average%20risk%20of%20death,Risks%20vary%20significantly%20by%20age https://aaafoundation.org/impact-speed-pedestrians-risk-seve....

zionic 5y ago

>Speeding kills and seriously injures people. No, delta-speed kills and seriously injures people. I was stoped on an off ramp yesterday in traffic with cars passing feet from me going 55+ mph. This was FAR more dangerous than being in a group of cars going 85mph in good conditions on a controlled access superhighway. US speed limits are a joke and aren't even taken seriously by the people whose job it is to enforce them. Most of the US lets you go 10+ over with near-zero chance of police interdiction.

btrettel 5y ago
> No, delta-speed kills and seriously injures people. Both are dangerous. I've heard the delta-speed argument a lot before and its proponents do a good job explaining why it's bad, but the fact is that absolute speed does matter a lot too. Plus, delta-speed practically equals speed when a vehicle collides with a relatively stationary object like a pedestrian or a cyclist.
- zionic 5y ago
  >Plus, delta-speed practically equals speed when a vehicle collides with a relatively stationary object like a pedestrian or a cyclist. If your road/city/transportation system is _routinely_ creating high delta-speed (and delta-mass) interactions then it is poorly designed. As I said elsewhere I have nothing against bikes, but I do have a bone to pick with people who suggest cars/bikes/pedestrians belong on the same grid such that they routinely interface with one another.
  - btrettel 5y ago
    > As I said elsewhere I have nothing against bikes, but I do have a bone to pick with people who suggest cars/bikes/pedestrians belong on the same grid such that they routinely interface with one another. Do you believe that for roads with speed limits 25 mph or below?

giarc 5y ago

A random person standing on the side of the road filming cars driving by doesn't stop speeding, it just distracts an already speeding driver. It potentially makes the situation worse.

mikem170 5y ago
I believe the plan is that the person filming can send the footage/evidence to the police and then the driver/owner would be fined.

cupofpython 5y ago

collisions kill people, not speeding tbh that's not even entirely tongue in cheek either. speeding is very rarely the cause of collisions imo. As a disclaimer, I also believe drivers are solely responsible for accidents rather than phones taking partial responsibility when texting and driving is applicable, so maybe I am not aligned with the public on this subject in general