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This feels unnecessarily hostile. I've felt a similar tinge of disappointment upon reading that paragraph, despite the fact that I somehow knew it was "their se

This feels unnecessarily hostile. I've felt a similar tinge of disappointment upon reading that paragraph, despite the fact that I somehow knew it was "their service, their call" without you being there to spell it out for me. It's also incredibly shortsighted of you to assume that people are interested in exploring this tool only as a means of generating art that they cannot themselves do. Eg. I myself am a software engineer with a fine art background, and exciting new AI art tools being released in such a hamstrung state feels like an insult to centuries of art that humans have created and enjoyed, much of which depicted scenes with nudity or bloody combat. I feel like we, as a species, will struggle for a while with how to treat adults like adults online. As happy as I am to advocate for safe spaces on the internet, perhaps we need to start having a serious discussion about how we can do so without resorting to putting safety mats everywhere and calling it a job well done.

duxup 5y ago
- JimDabell 5y ago
  > this service should be provided to me and if it isn't done how I want it that's infringing on me somehow That is an extremely uncharitable interpretation of: > I wish I could have a version with the training wheels taken off.
  - duxup 5y ago
    I would have responded differently had that been the statement. But many of the responses were more than that.
    - JimDabell 5y ago
      That is a literal copy and paste from the comment you replied to.
      - duxup 5y ago
        That's not all there was. I copied and pasted other things from that comment in my other posts.
- educaysean 5y ago
  I get the points you're raising and I agree with the premise. My comment is not a critique on the one choice made by Open AI specifically, but more of a vague lamentation in regards to the internet culture that we've somehow ended up in 2022. I don't want us to go back to 1999 where snuff videos and spam mails reigned supreme, but the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction at this point in time. It feels like more and more companies are choosing the path of neutering themsely to avoid potential PR disaster or lawsuits, and that's on all of us.
  - duxup 5y ago
    >but the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction at this point in time The folks hosting the content get to decide for now. IMO best bet is for some folks to take their own shot at hosting / generating content better. Granted I get that is NOT a small venture / small ask. It's possible there's not a great solution. I don't necessarily like that either, but I don't want to ignore the dynamic of whose rights are whose.
wokwokwok 5y ago
This is kind of like complaining about having too many meetings at work. Yup, everyone feels it. …but, does complaining help? Nope. All it does is make you feel a bit better with out really putting in effort in. We can’t have nice things because people abuse them. Not everyone. …but enough people that it’s both a PR and legal problem. specifcally a legal problem in this case. To have adults treated like adults online, you have to figure out how to stop all adults from being dicks online. …no one has figured that out yet. So, complain away if you like, but it will do exactly nothing. No one, at all, is going to just “have a serious discussion” about this; the solution you propose is flat out untenable, and will probably remain so indefinitely.
- sillysaurusx 5y ago
  None of this is true. It’s not a legal problem. Every single time OpenAI comes out with something, they dress it up as a huge threat, either to society or to themselves. Everyone falls for it. Then someone else comes along, quietly replicates it, and poof! No threat! Isn’t it incredible how that works? There are already a bunch of dalle replicas, including ones hosted openly and uncensored by huggingface. They’re not facing huge legal or PR problems, and they’re not out of business.
  - mrtranscendence 5y ago
    The DALL-E replicas on hugging face are not sophisticated enough to generate credibly realistic images of the kind that would generate bad PR. I suspect the moment it becomes possible for a pedophile to request, and receive, a photorealistic image of a child being abused there will be bad PR for whatever company facilitates it. Or consider someone who wants to generate and distribute explicit photos of someone else without their permission. Is it a legal issue? I'm not sure, though I believe that cartoon child porn is not legal in the US (or is at least a legal gray area). Regardless, I sympathize with OpenAI not wanting to enable such behavior.

duxup 5y ago

JimDabell 5y ago
> this service should be provided to me and if it isn't done how I want it that's infringing on me somehow That is an extremely uncharitable interpretation of: > I wish I could have a version with the training wheels taken off.
- duxup 5y ago
  I would have responded differently had that been the statement. But many of the responses were more than that.
  - JimDabell 5y ago
    That is a literal copy and paste from the comment you replied to.
    - duxup 5y ago
      That's not all there was. I copied and pasted other things from that comment in my other posts.
educaysean 5y ago
I get the points you're raising and I agree with the premise. My comment is not a critique on the one choice made by Open AI specifically, but more of a vague lamentation in regards to the internet culture that we've somehow ended up in 2022. I don't want us to go back to 1999 where snuff videos and spam mails reigned supreme, but the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction at this point in time. It feels like more and more companies are choosing the path of neutering themsely to avoid potential PR disaster or lawsuits, and that's on all of us.
- duxup 5y ago
  >but the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction at this point in time The folks hosting the content get to decide for now. IMO best bet is for some folks to take their own shot at hosting / generating content better. Granted I get that is NOT a small venture / small ask. It's possible there's not a great solution. I don't necessarily like that either, but I don't want to ignore the dynamic of whose rights are whose.

wokwokwok 5y ago

This is kind of like complaining about having too many meetings at work. Yup, everyone feels it. …but, does complaining help? Nope. All it does is make you feel a bit better with out really putting in effort in. We can’t have nice things because people abuse them. Not everyone. …but enough people that it’s both a PR and legal problem. specifcally a legal problem in this case. To have adults treated like adults online, you have to figure out how to stop all adults from being dicks online. …no one has figured that out yet. So, complain away if you like, but it will do exactly nothing. No one, at all, is going to just “have a serious discussion” about this; the solution you propose is flat out untenable, and will probably remain so indefinitely.

sillysaurusx 5y ago
None of this is true. It’s not a legal problem. Every single time OpenAI comes out with something, they dress it up as a huge threat, either to society or to themselves. Everyone falls for it. Then someone else comes along, quietly replicates it, and poof! No threat! Isn’t it incredible how that works? There are already a bunch of dalle replicas, including ones hosted openly and uncensored by huggingface. They’re not facing huge legal or PR problems, and they’re not out of business.
- mrtranscendence 5y ago
  The DALL-E replicas on hugging face are not sophisticated enough to generate credibly realistic images of the kind that would generate bad PR. I suspect the moment it becomes possible for a pedophile to request, and receive, a photorealistic image of a child being abused there will be bad PR for whatever company facilitates it. Or consider someone who wants to generate and distribute explicit photos of someone else without their permission. Is it a legal issue? I'm not sure, though I believe that cartoon child porn is not legal in the US (or is at least a legal gray area). Regardless, I sympathize with OpenAI not wanting to enable such behavior.