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There is no chance 1.2B people will migrate to Europe. The problem is that, right now, EU countries are forced to accept poor immigrants and integration is not

There is no chance 1.2B people will migrate to Europe. The problem is that, right now, EU countries are forced to accept poor immigrants and integration is not easy. Integration is not easy for a number of economical reasons and not due to xenophobia. EU economies, especially in the south, are not doing well. There are not a lot of jobs, life got progressively worse in the last 20 years, crisis after crisis. So naturally, migrants will end up working for 2€ per hour picking up tomatoes or selling drugs and stealing bikes. Eventually, it will become politically unsustainable and local populations will vote to quit the EU and stop the immigrants flow. The nordic countries have a rape problem linked to immigration. My grandma is afraid of walking in her own city. I'd say we're about 50% there. We already saw it happen in the UK. The only thing keeping the other countries in is that their economy are too weak to survive on their own and they came to rely on the single market.

ClumsyPilot 5y ago
> There is no chance 1.2B people will migrate to Europe. That is precisely why it will cause a catastrophic war -> do you expect them all to just lie down and die peacefully?
- brimble 5y ago
  I'm convinced this is why so many rich folks have been buying land and citizenship in New Zealand. It's one of the nicest countries in the world that's also very hard to get to, without resources. They're preparing for the violence-tinged migration waves, by arranging to have somewhere to hide that's mostly unaffected.
  - colpabar 5y ago
    All the while telling us peons how important it is to embrace refugees.
    - perfecthjrjth 5y ago
      That's how things work in the real world: One uses truths to sell bullshit. NIMBYs bemoan that local school districts can't accommodate extra kids and that local roads can't support new traffic. Yes, they cite true facts to hide the reality that "they want to see their home prices accelerate". In this case, the elite (super wealthy and their cronies in politics, think tanks) tell us that embracing refugees help humanity, learning cultures, etc, while they purchase citizenship in, properties to live in, jets to fly to, New Zealand. These days, everyone uses truths, but see what they are hiding behind their truths!!
ben_w 5y ago
> There is no chance 1.2B people will migrate to Europe. Sure, some of them will flee to Mexico or Cuba (from Central Valley and Florida); some will flee Bangladesh to India; some of the migrants that end up in Europe will be from other bits of Europe. But I suspect quite a lot of sensible Egyptians will look at the wrong kind of water being in the Nile Delta and reach a perfectly sensible conclusion, go to an agent and ask: "أود شراء تذكرة ذهاب فقط إلى أي مكان ليس تحت الماء حاليًا." only to accidentally find themselves shortly thereafter in Zagreb taking a crash course in Croatian.

ClumsyPilot 5y ago

> There is no chance 1.2B people will migrate to Europe. That is precisely why it will cause a catastrophic war -> do you expect them all to just lie down and die peacefully?

brimble 5y ago
I'm convinced this is why so many rich folks have been buying land and citizenship in New Zealand. It's one of the nicest countries in the world that's also very hard to get to, without resources. They're preparing for the violence-tinged migration waves, by arranging to have somewhere to hide that's mostly unaffected.
- colpabar 5y ago
  All the while telling us peons how important it is to embrace refugees.
  - perfecthjrjth 5y ago
    That's how things work in the real world: One uses truths to sell bullshit. NIMBYs bemoan that local school districts can't accommodate extra kids and that local roads can't support new traffic. Yes, they cite true facts to hide the reality that "they want to see their home prices accelerate". In this case, the elite (super wealthy and their cronies in politics, think tanks) tell us that embracing refugees help humanity, learning cultures, etc, while they purchase citizenship in, properties to live in, jets to fly to, New Zealand. These days, everyone uses truths, but see what they are hiding behind their truths!!

ben_w 5y ago

> There is no chance 1.2B people will migrate to Europe. Sure, some of them will flee to Mexico or Cuba (from Central Valley and Florida); some will flee Bangladesh to India; some of the migrants that end up in Europe will be from other bits of Europe. But I suspect quite a lot of sensible Egyptians will look at the wrong kind of water being in the Nile Delta and reach a perfectly sensible conclusion, go to an agent and ask: "أود شراء تذكرة ذهاب فقط إلى أي مكان ليس تحت الماء حاليًا." only to accidentally find themselves shortly thereafter in Zagreb taking a crash course in Croatian.