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Society is going to utter dogshit and tearing itself apart merely through social media. The US almost had a coup because of organized hatred and lies spread thr

Society is going to utter dogshit and tearing itself apart merely through social media. The US almost had a coup because of organized hatred and lies spread through social media. The far right's rise is heavily linked to lies spread through social media, throughout the world. This AI has the potential to absolutely automate the very long Photoshop work, leading to an even worse stat eof things. So, yes, "Responsibility to society" is absolutely a thing.

scotty79 5y ago
> The US almost had a coup because of organized hatred and lies spread through social media. But notice how all of these deep faking technologies weren't actually necessary for that. People believe what they want to believe. Regardless of quality of provided evidence. Scaremongering idea of deep fakes and what they can be doing was militarized in this information war way more than the actual technology. I think this technology should develop unrestricted so society can learn what can be done and what can't be done. And create understanding what other factors should be taken into account when assesing veracity of images and recordings (like multiple angles, quality of the recording, sync with sound, neural fake detection algorithms) for the cases when it's actually important what words someone said and what actions he was recorded doing. Which is more and more unimportant these days because nobody cared what Trump was doing and saying, nobody cares about Bidens mishaps and nobody cares what comes out of Putins mouths and how he chooses his greenscreen backgrounds.
- ohgodplsno 5y ago
  Are you of the idea that we should let everyone get automatic rifles because, after all, pistols exist? Because that is the exact same line of thought. > People believe what they want to believe. Regardless of quality of provided evidence. That is a terrible oversimplification of the mechanics of propaganda. The entire reason for the movements that are popping up is actors flooding people with so much info that they question absolutely everything, including the truth. This is state sponsored destabilisation, on a massive scale. This is the result of just shitty news sites and text posts on twitter. People already don't double check any of that. There will not be an "understanding of assessing veracity". There is already none for things that are easy to check. You could post that the US elite actively rapes children in a pizza place and people will actually fucking believe you. So, no. Having this technology for _literally any purpose_ would be terribly destructive for society. You can find violence and Joe Biden hentai without needing to generate it automatically through an AI
  - scotty79 5y ago
    I'm sorry. I believe I wasn't direct enough which made you produce metaphor I have no idea how to understand. Let me state my opinion more directly. I'm for developing as much of deep fake technology in the open so that people can internalize that every video they see, every message, every speech should be initially treated as fabricated garbage unrelated to anything that actually happened in reality. Because that's exactly what it is. Until additional data shows up, geolocating, showing it from different angles and such. Even if most people manage to internalize just the first part and assume everything always is fake news, that is still great because that counters propaganda to immense degree. Power of propaganda doesn't come from flooding people with chaos of fakery. It comes from constructing consistent message by whatever means necessary and hammering it into the minds of your audience for months and years while simultaneously isolating them from any material, real or fake that contradicts your vision. Take a look no further than brainwashed Russian citizens and Russian propaganda that is able to successfully influence hundreds of millions without even a shred of deep fake technology for decades. The problem of modern world is not that no one believes the actual truth because it doesn't really matter what most people believe. Only rich influence policy decisions. The problem is that people still believe that there is some truth which makes them super easy to sway to believe what you are saying is true and weaponize by using nothing more than charismatic voice and consistent message crafted to touch the spots in people that remain the same at least since the world war II and most likely from time immemorial. And the "elite" who actually runs this world, will pursue tools of getting the accurate information and telling facts from fiction no matter the technology.
    - BlueTemplar 5y ago
      South Park creators have jumped on this occasion : "Sassy Justice with Fred Sassy" (reporting on Deep Fakes) : https://youtube.com/watch?v=9WfZuNceFDM https://youtube.com/watch?v=9WfZuNceFDM

scotty79 5y ago

> The US almost had a coup because of organized hatred and lies spread through social media. But notice how all of these deep faking technologies weren't actually necessary for that. People believe what they want to believe. Regardless of quality of provided evidence. Scaremongering idea of deep fakes and what they can be doing was militarized in this information war way more than the actual technology. I think this technology should develop unrestricted so society can learn what can be done and what can't be done. And create understanding what other factors should be taken into account when assesing veracity of images and recordings (like multiple angles, quality of the recording, sync with sound, neural fake detection algorithms) for the cases when it's actually important what words someone said and what actions he was recorded doing. Which is more and more unimportant these days because nobody cared what Trump was doing and saying, nobody cares about Bidens mishaps and nobody cares what comes out of Putins mouths and how he chooses his greenscreen backgrounds.

ohgodplsno 5y ago
Are you of the idea that we should let everyone get automatic rifles because, after all, pistols exist? Because that is the exact same line of thought. > People believe what they want to believe. Regardless of quality of provided evidence. That is a terrible oversimplification of the mechanics of propaganda. The entire reason for the movements that are popping up is actors flooding people with so much info that they question absolutely everything, including the truth. This is state sponsored destabilisation, on a massive scale. This is the result of just shitty news sites and text posts on twitter. People already don't double check any of that. There will not be an "understanding of assessing veracity". There is already none for things that are easy to check. You could post that the US elite actively rapes children in a pizza place and people will actually fucking believe you. So, no. Having this technology for _literally any purpose_ would be terribly destructive for society. You can find violence and Joe Biden hentai without needing to generate it automatically through an AI
- scotty79 5y ago
  I'm sorry. I believe I wasn't direct enough which made you produce metaphor I have no idea how to understand. Let me state my opinion more directly. I'm for developing as much of deep fake technology in the open so that people can internalize that every video they see, every message, every speech should be initially treated as fabricated garbage unrelated to anything that actually happened in reality. Because that's exactly what it is. Until additional data shows up, geolocating, showing it from different angles and such. Even if most people manage to internalize just the first part and assume everything always is fake news, that is still great because that counters propaganda to immense degree. Power of propaganda doesn't come from flooding people with chaos of fakery. It comes from constructing consistent message by whatever means necessary and hammering it into the minds of your audience for months and years while simultaneously isolating them from any material, real or fake that contradicts your vision. Take a look no further than brainwashed Russian citizens and Russian propaganda that is able to successfully influence hundreds of millions without even a shred of deep fake technology for decades. The problem of modern world is not that no one believes the actual truth because it doesn't really matter what most people believe. Only rich influence policy decisions. The problem is that people still believe that there is some truth which makes them super easy to sway to believe what you are saying is true and weaponize by using nothing more than charismatic voice and consistent message crafted to touch the spots in people that remain the same at least since the world war II and most likely from time immemorial. And the "elite" who actually runs this world, will pursue tools of getting the accurate information and telling facts from fiction no matter the technology.
  - BlueTemplar 5y ago
    South Park creators have jumped on this occasion : "Sassy Justice with Fred Sassy" (reporting on Deep Fakes) : https://youtube.com/watch?v=9WfZuNceFDM https://youtube.com/watch?v=9WfZuNceFDM