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Not everyone has eyes. Just like not everyone has fingerprints. Proof of Personhood is - like lots of ideas - ignorant about how people will abuse it. So you n

by edent 5y ago

Not everyone has eyes. Just like not everyone has fingerprints. Proof of Personhood is - like lots of ideas - ignorant about how people will abuse it. So you need to scan your retina to post? That doesn't stop someone stealing your laptop just after a scan. Or stop you scanning someone's eye when they're asleep / unconscious. Or any of a host of attacks. The UBI requirement is interesting - but it comes down to how much cost is lost to fraud vs the cost of fighting that fraud. If you need to spend a billion pounds to stop a million in fraud - is that worth it?

gowld 5y ago
> Not everyone has eyes. This is silly. The number of people without eyes is tiny, and so can be served with an alternate solution.
- the_other 5y ago
  As someone who spends a lot of time with a deaf person, in a high-quality of life country with a social welfare system, I can tell you that these alternative systems to support off-mainstream modalities generally suck, if they exist at all. You can’t hand-wave these things aside as if some powerful faerie will come solve the problem for you. It hasn’t worked like that for centuries and even in my country, where we’re comparatively quite good with this stuff, we’re shit with this stuff. I’ve lost track of the number of times I’ve had to call someone to book tickets for something requiring deaf support, on their behalf, when I can use a web interface for my booking. It’s crazy.
AlexandrB 5y ago
> Or any of a host of attacks. I imagine the truly ruthless/desperate gouging out other people's eyes to collect their payments :( This has all happened before: https://usafrikagov.com/how-belgium-chopped-off-hands-and-arms-and-killed-over-15-million-in-africa/ https://usafrikagov.com/how-belgium-chopped-off-hands-and-ar... > In some instances a soldier could shorten his service term by bringing more hands than the other soldiers, which led to widespread mutilations and dismemberment.

by edent 5y ago

gowld 5y ago

> Not everyone has eyes. This is silly. The number of people without eyes is tiny, and so can be served with an alternate solution.

the_other 5y ago
As someone who spends a lot of time with a deaf person, in a high-quality of life country with a social welfare system, I can tell you that these alternative systems to support off-mainstream modalities generally suck, if they exist at all. You can’t hand-wave these things aside as if some powerful faerie will come solve the problem for you. It hasn’t worked like that for centuries and even in my country, where we’re comparatively quite good with this stuff, we’re shit with this stuff. I’ve lost track of the number of times I’ve had to call someone to book tickets for something requiring deaf support, on their behalf, when I can use a web interface for my booking. It’s crazy.

AlexandrB 5y ago

> Or any of a host of attacks. I imagine the truly ruthless/desperate gouging out other people's eyes to collect their payments :( This has all happened before: https://usafrikagov.com/how-belgium-chopped-off-hands-and-arms-and-killed-over-15-million-in-africa/ https://usafrikagov.com/how-belgium-chopped-off-hands-and-ar... > In some instances a soldier could shorten his service term by bringing more hands than the other soldiers, which led to widespread mutilations and dismemberment.