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"secures the region" from what and for whom? Assuming there is a single point of view from which this is true, and that you share it with the people living ther

"secures the region" from what and for whom? Assuming there is a single point of view from which this is true, and that you share it with the people living there, doesn't sound like less colonialism to me.

hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
From Russia, of course. It is Russia that started the war with Ukraine now, and previously in Georgia and other places. We (Europeans) need a decent neighbor we can collaborate with, not a bully. We can disagree on many things like with Hungary for example, but Hungary is not having a fit over some issue and doesn't invade Romania for example.
- postalrat 5y ago
  Keep the invasions to the middle east and asia where they belong. /s
  - giraffe_lady 5y ago
    Either as a joke or chillingly honest, I think this is basically where US and european foreign policy is with this.
  - hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
    I believe by now the USA has finally learned that there is no single case where an invasion makes sense. Not only you won't help anyone, you just increase the number of people killed and further destabilize the situation you intended to "fix". BTW I consider the invasion on Afghanistan and Iraq as a pure fit of Bush over his inability to deal with the circumstances that provoked 9/11.
  - watwut 5y ago
    Yes, it would be much better for middle east and asia if Russia cleansed Ukrainians out of Ukraine and managed to continue to Poland, Finland, Moldavia, Czech Republic and so on. Somehow, magically, middle east would then became peaceful. As long as there is no world peace, no other world region has right to care about its security.
- yucky 5y ago
  >It is Russia that started the war with Ukraine now Russia certainly invaded, but do you think war started in February? This conflict has been ongoing for years. We've known for 25 years that NATO encroachment on Russia's borders would guarantee war, even Biden spoke publicly about this in the 90's.[1] And yet the US thought it was a good idea to foment a revolution in 2014 and ensure a pro-US/NATO regime was put in power, triggering a move towards Ukraine NATO membership.[2] Why would anybody not expect war to come from that? If Mexico joined a "defensive pact" with China, and the Chinese military then set up shop in Juarez do we honestly think the US would let that fly? [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7DbO51Z3Co&t=17s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7DbO51Z3Co&t=17s [2] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957
  - hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
    Of course the war started much earlier when Putin realized Ukrainians don't want to be his vassals like Belorussians. This was completely unacceptable for him because he considers Ukraine to be his own territory, not a country with people who can decide about their own fate. That's why whenever people in Ukraine or Belarus protest, they got shot with sharp bullets. But in Euromaidan it turned out the overall feeling to turn away from Russia and form a bond with Europe was too strong to stifle and Putin decided to use soldiers: first, to take over Crimea, which was very easy because most people there were Russians, and then, when he saw no opposition, he decided to take over Donbas. ATthis point Ukrainians realized if they don't do something he will eat their country patch by patch so they started to fight. But Putin never gave up. The argument he repeats about Mexico is ridiculous because Russia is already bordering with several NATO countries, and none of them would ever think about attacking Russia - you just don't attack a nuclear superpower. It is a convenient excuse he's using all the time but he's a few decades late. He is thinking in terms of ancient tribes fighting about some piece of land - nobody is thinking in this way today. Especially in Europe with increasing integration, freedom of movement, being able to work where you wish, the ancient ideas of getting more and more land for your tribe seem completely outdated (and should be for Russia, too - with so much land and so few people).
    - 5y ago

hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago

From Russia, of course. It is Russia that started the war with Ukraine now, and previously in Georgia and other places. We (Europeans) need a decent neighbor we can collaborate with, not a bully. We can disagree on many things like with Hungary for example, but Hungary is not having a fit over some issue and doesn't invade Romania for example.

postalrat 5y ago
Keep the invasions to the middle east and asia where they belong. /s
- giraffe_lady 5y ago
  Either as a joke or chillingly honest, I think this is basically where US and european foreign policy is with this.
- hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
  I believe by now the USA has finally learned that there is no single case where an invasion makes sense. Not only you won't help anyone, you just increase the number of people killed and further destabilize the situation you intended to "fix". BTW I consider the invasion on Afghanistan and Iraq as a pure fit of Bush over his inability to deal with the circumstances that provoked 9/11.
- watwut 5y ago
  Yes, it would be much better for middle east and asia if Russia cleansed Ukrainians out of Ukraine and managed to continue to Poland, Finland, Moldavia, Czech Republic and so on. Somehow, magically, middle east would then became peaceful. As long as there is no world peace, no other world region has right to care about its security.
yucky 5y ago
>It is Russia that started the war with Ukraine now Russia certainly invaded, but do you think war started in February? This conflict has been ongoing for years. We've known for 25 years that NATO encroachment on Russia's borders would guarantee war, even Biden spoke publicly about this in the 90's.[1] And yet the US thought it was a good idea to foment a revolution in 2014 and ensure a pro-US/NATO regime was put in power, triggering a move towards Ukraine NATO membership.[2] Why would anybody not expect war to come from that? If Mexico joined a "defensive pact" with China, and the Chinese military then set up shop in Juarez do we honestly think the US would let that fly? [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7DbO51Z3Co&t=17s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7DbO51Z3Co&t=17s [2] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957
- hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
  Of course the war started much earlier when Putin realized Ukrainians don't want to be his vassals like Belorussians. This was completely unacceptable for him because he considers Ukraine to be his own territory, not a country with people who can decide about their own fate. That's why whenever people in Ukraine or Belarus protest, they got shot with sharp bullets. But in Euromaidan it turned out the overall feeling to turn away from Russia and form a bond with Europe was too strong to stifle and Putin decided to use soldiers: first, to take over Crimea, which was very easy because most people there were Russians, and then, when he saw no opposition, he decided to take over Donbas. ATthis point Ukrainians realized if they don't do something he will eat their country patch by patch so they started to fight. But Putin never gave up. The argument he repeats about Mexico is ridiculous because Russia is already bordering with several NATO countries, and none of them would ever think about attacking Russia - you just don't attack a nuclear superpower. It is a convenient excuse he's using all the time but he's a few decades late. He is thinking in terms of ancient tribes fighting about some piece of land - nobody is thinking in this way today. Especially in Europe with increasing integration, freedom of movement, being able to work where you wish, the ancient ideas of getting more and more land for your tribe seem completely outdated (and should be for Russia, too - with so much land and so few people).
  - 5y ago