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Steam wouldn't have happened if Windows had a proper package manager (and if Valve hadn't been screwed over by Sierra). I'm wondering about what cleanliness yo

Steam wouldn't have happened if Windows had a proper package manager (and if Valve hadn't been screwed over by Sierra). I'm wondering about what cleanliness you are talking about, after all Steam (thankfully) never got a 100% market share (Games For Windows Live, Stardock's Impulse, GamersGate, Matrix/Slitherine, Blizzard games, Good Old Games, Ubisoft's horrible launchers, various boxes-only games, indies...) - if anything it has killed indie gaming that was briefly freed from having to have a full blown publisher and physical distributor - these days smaller developers have a hard time to sell from their own website and sometimes even to just forego from using Steamworks-only services (which make non-Steam versions second class citizens) like multiplayer matchmaking and mod Workshop. (And some other programs like Xfire have tried to centralize game libraries too, also offering other services like chat, matchmaking, game hour counts, video recording and upload...)

mekkkkkk 5y ago
I'm sure there are some significant downsides to Steam being a dominant platform, as is always the case. That being said, I think Steam has been pretty decent for Indie devs in other ways. The Greenlight program seems pretty successful, and the barrier for entry into the Steam catalog isn't too steep. However, you are right in that you are pretty much forcing indie devs to come in under the Steam umbrella to get exposure, and that's of course questionable. As for pure practicality as a gamer, Steam was unbeatable in the 10's. There were a lot of other offerings like you mentioned, but none were really competing on a large scale. The push of every publisher to restrict their games to their own Steam clones is a thing that seems to really have ramped up during the last ten years or so. Some were early though, Blizzard being a prime example.
Strom 5y ago
> it has killed indie gaming That's quite the take. I'd say Valve did more good for indie gaming than anyone else with the introduction of early access. Almost all the indie gaming being done in my social circles is through Steam's early access program. Before that people just didn't play indie games.
- BlueTemplar 5y ago
  Indie means independant. (Activision-)Blizzard (which owns their distribution platform) is more indie than the small developers that would have gone bankrupt if Steam kicked them out (or shadowbanned them), and were forced to pay a ~30% tax. And I'm pretty sure people did play (small developer) indie games before - just flash games alone...

mekkkkkk 5y ago

I'm sure there are some significant downsides to Steam being a dominant platform, as is always the case. That being said, I think Steam has been pretty decent for Indie devs in other ways. The Greenlight program seems pretty successful, and the barrier for entry into the Steam catalog isn't too steep. However, you are right in that you are pretty much forcing indie devs to come in under the Steam umbrella to get exposure, and that's of course questionable. As for pure practicality as a gamer, Steam was unbeatable in the 10's. There were a lot of other offerings like you mentioned, but none were really competing on a large scale. The push of every publisher to restrict their games to their own Steam clones is a thing that seems to really have ramped up during the last ten years or so. Some were early though, Blizzard being a prime example.

Strom 5y ago

> it has killed indie gaming That's quite the take. I'd say Valve did more good for indie gaming than anyone else with the introduction of early access. Almost all the indie gaming being done in my social circles is through Steam's early access program. Before that people just didn't play indie games.

BlueTemplar 5y ago
Indie means independant. (Activision-)Blizzard (which owns their distribution platform) is more indie than the small developers that would have gone bankrupt if Steam kicked them out (or shadowbanned them), and were forced to pay a ~30% tax. And I'm pretty sure people did play (small developer) indie games before - just flash games alone...