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Google PageRank Has Nothing To Do With Inbound Links | Google

2 points by ajbatac 18y ago

streety 18y ago
Toolbar PR != google internal PR The story here is that even with very few links this site has been able to secure a pagerank of 2. The suggestion being that PR 2 is impressive. It's not, I would wager that any site with at least some links, any links, and no penalty would have no problem to get a PR2.
- litewulf 18y ago
  I'm pretty sure toolbar PR is basically the PR that Google uses for ranking, just lagging by a bit. In addition, I have no idea why people care about PR, because there is quite a bit more to ranking than PR (or else all those PR10 sites would be the top result for anything).
  - streety 18y ago
    It depends on how you define "a bit". The last time I paid any attention to this the toolbar PR was updated every 3 months or so and those updates were already outdated. I can't remember how outdated the updates were or even if google told you that. I suspect they didn't. Google has also taken to using the toolbar PR as a way of communicating its displeasure over certain practices. Paid links is a recent example. All told your PR is irrelevant as you say. Especially in comparison to your actual rankings which are also largely irrelevant to tracking what's driving traffic to your site which is itself largely irrelevant to tracking conversions, registrations, return visit or whatever other metric most makes sense to your site/business.
    - litewulf 18y ago
      On an interesting sidenote this actually means the value of PR0 site links may be worth more than from PR1, because the PR0 site may simply be a site with good PR that just hasn't shown up in the latest update. pinky to finger
il 18y ago
What an incredibly misleading headline based only on circumstantial evidence. First of all, PR2 is not hard to get, you get indexed and you're already halfway to a PR2. It's true that Google has devalued the impact of inbound links recently, but that in no way means that suddenly getting inbound links with good anchortext is worthless. Also, toolbar PR rounds up, so for all you know the PR could have been 1.000001. In short, don't listen to this guy, and keep getting those inbound links. They can't hurt you, and, from the hundreds of sites I have ran, I know they do help.
noelchurchill 18y ago
It's common knowledge in the SEO community that the public PR number doesn't correlate with the internal calculated PR number that google uses. It's not that there is a lag, it's just not the same number. However, yes it's true, that obviously there is much more to ranking for a given search term than just having a lot of PR. There are mountains of empirical evidence that gaining links from authority sites does in fact give you a better ranking.

2 points by ajbatac 18y ago

Toolbar PR != google internal PR The story here is that even with very few links this site has been able to secure a pagerank of 2. The suggestion being that PR 2 is impressive. It's not, I would wager that any site with at least some links, any links, and no penalty would have no problem to get a PR2.

litewulf 18y ago
I'm pretty sure toolbar PR is basically the PR that Google uses for ranking, just lagging by a bit. In addition, I have no idea why people care about PR, because there is quite a bit more to ranking than PR (or else all those PR10 sites would be the top result for anything).
- streety 18y ago
  It depends on how you define "a bit". The last time I paid any attention to this the toolbar PR was updated every 3 months or so and those updates were already outdated. I can't remember how outdated the updates were or even if google told you that. I suspect they didn't. Google has also taken to using the toolbar PR as a way of communicating its displeasure over certain practices. Paid links is a recent example. All told your PR is irrelevant as you say. Especially in comparison to your actual rankings which are also largely irrelevant to tracking what's driving traffic to your site which is itself largely irrelevant to tracking conversions, registrations, return visit or whatever other metric most makes sense to your site/business.
  - litewulf 18y ago
    On an interesting sidenote this actually means the value of PR0 site links may be worth more than from PR1, because the PR0 site may simply be a site with good PR that just hasn't shown up in the latest update. pinky to finger

il 18y ago

What an incredibly misleading headline based only on circumstantial evidence. First of all, PR2 is not hard to get, you get indexed and you're already halfway to a PR2. It's true that Google has devalued the impact of inbound links recently, but that in no way means that suddenly getting inbound links with good anchortext is worthless. Also, toolbar PR rounds up, so for all you know the PR could have been 1.000001. In short, don't listen to this guy, and keep getting those inbound links. They can't hurt you, and, from the hundreds of sites I have ran, I know they do help.

noelchurchill 18y ago

It's common knowledge in the SEO community that the public PR number doesn't correlate with the internal calculated PR number that google uses. It's not that there is a lag, it's just not the same number. However, yes it's true, that obviously there is much more to ranking for a given search term than just having a lot of PR. There are mountains of empirical evidence that gaining links from authority sites does in fact give you a better ranking.