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I can't deny Python's success, but I wouldn't hold it up paragon of change management, either. 13+ years after the release of Python 3 and 2+ years after 2.7's

I can't deny Python's success, but I wouldn't hold it up paragon of change management, either. 13+ years after the release of Python 3 and 2+ years after 2.7's EOL, I'm still dealing with Python dependencies that don't work on Python 3 because maintainers preferred to pretend that Python 3 wasn't happening and that Python 2.7 would be around forever. It's confusing as heck trying to figure out what I should even expect to work, because some authors treat it as obvious that their code will work on both Python 2 and Python 3, while other authors treat it as obvious that they still only support Python 2. I've had a lot less trouble with merged /usr. I guess it's not a fair comparison, but it does suggest to me that there are more important factors at play.

XorNot 5y ago
What sorts of packages are these though? I've not had a single problem with anything practical in years.
ssl232 5y ago
Guido van Rossum openly admits the move from 2 to 3 was a bit of a disaster. I think some of the decisions made since then have been more conservative in a bid to avoid such damage again. And talk of a Python 4 is for the most part academic. It sounds like the package authors sticking with Python 2 that you're dealing with are just stubborn beyond belief. The rest of the world has moved on whether they agreed with the changes in Python 3 or not. Hopefully if the packages are useful enough to others and the licence allows it, people will fork them and make them work with 3.
drexlspivey 5y ago
Can you link to a few maintained packages that only support Python 2?
- nyuszika7h 5y ago
  This one is relatively maintained, for example: https://github.com/pyroscope/pyrocore https://github.com/pyroscope/pyrocore
  - IntelMiner 5y ago
    Last release was all the way back in 2017?
    - nitrogen 5y ago
      I'd be perfectly happy to use software whose last release was in 1987 if it gets the job done and I can isolate it from the network.
KptMarchewa 5y ago
>It's confusing as heck trying to figure out what I should even expect to work, because some authors treat it as obvious that their code will work on both Python 2 and Python 3, while other authors treat it as obvious that they still only support Python 2. I believe grand majority of packages already dropped 2.7 from latest releases, given that it's officially dead for over two years.

XorNot 5y ago

What sorts of packages are these though? I've not had a single problem with anything practical in years.

ssl232 5y ago

Guido van Rossum openly admits the move from 2 to 3 was a bit of a disaster. I think some of the decisions made since then have been more conservative in a bid to avoid such damage again. And talk of a Python 4 is for the most part academic. It sounds like the package authors sticking with Python 2 that you're dealing with are just stubborn beyond belief. The rest of the world has moved on whether they agreed with the changes in Python 3 or not. Hopefully if the packages are useful enough to others and the licence allows it, people will fork them and make them work with 3.

drexlspivey 5y ago

Can you link to a few maintained packages that only support Python 2?

nyuszika7h 5y ago
This one is relatively maintained, for example: https://github.com/pyroscope/pyrocore https://github.com/pyroscope/pyrocore
- IntelMiner 5y ago
  Last release was all the way back in 2017?
  - nitrogen 5y ago
    I'd be perfectly happy to use software whose last release was in 1987 if it gets the job done and I can isolate it from the network.

KptMarchewa 5y ago

>It's confusing as heck trying to figure out what I should even expect to work, because some authors treat it as obvious that their code will work on both Python 2 and Python 3, while other authors treat it as obvious that they still only support Python 2. I believe grand majority of packages already dropped 2.7 from latest releases, given that it's officially dead for over two years.