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I don't really think if you will do peaceful express your opinion against war in Russia maybe with single protest you will get a real term in prison only a mone

by NoOn3 5y ago

I don't really think if you will do peaceful express your opinion against war in Russia maybe with single protest you will get a real term in prison only a monetary fine and even this is not always the case.

ciceryadam 5y ago
Russian police arrest demonstrator protesting with blank sign - https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/russia-protest-war-blank-sign-ve9882053 https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/russia-protest-war-bla...
- NoOn3 5y ago
  I don't know all cases, but I know people with blank posters was detained and just had a preventive conversation with them and then they were released. And I think in most cases if you don't resist and don't fight with the police, and don't do something very dangerous, then no very serious punishments will be applied to you. Perhaps there are exceptional cases, but they need to be considered especially, perhaps there are special circumstances, . The Western press uses the same techniques as the Russian press often chooses only cases that are beneficial to them and exaggerates their number, so you need to carefully examine different cases and study sources from different sides if possible. I'm not saying that everything in Russia is perfectly democratic and free, I just want to show that everything is not as gloomy as the Western media want to show.
asveikau 5y ago
This isn't much of a refutation of the point. Moreover, some specific individuals have been murdered for speaking about Putin. Anna Politkovskaja and Aleksandr Litvinenko were both murdered for questioning the official narratives on Chechnya.
- NoOn3 5y ago
  In Chechnya In these times was real chaos and war. There were there a lot of actors who didn't obey anyone, so, of course, there were a lot of crimes. It took a lot of effort to establish the control of the authorities over what was happening. It's hard to clearly say that Anna Politkovskaha was on Putin's orders. Alexandr Litvinenko was different case. He was an defector and former officer not a peaceful human rights activist maybe I can believe it. But not all his statements and his writings has clearly proofs. For example Julian Assange faces the death penalty in the US. And some even claims that was attempts on him... Many developed countries of the world have a history of some strange crime cases and human rights violations. It seems in real world all is so complicated you even can't easy say that these crimes were not deliberately constructed by hostile agents. Only in case than you have very very accurate evidence sometimes only if you have personally seen them... I would like to live in a truly free and democratic country, but I doubt that such a country can exist in conditions when there are necessarily hostile and unfriendly among many other countries...
  - asveikau 5y ago
    > For example Julian Assange faces the death penalty in the US I really doubt this would happen. He would probably face a lesser punishment, and you could argue about it being right or wrong, but this doesn't cancel out Russia's terrible track record.
    - NoOn3 4y ago
      Maybe. I wouldn't say that Russia's terrible track record relative to other countries. But I agree that there have been some bad events that we should strive to prevent in the future.

by NoOn3 5y ago

ciceryadam 5y ago

Russian police arrest demonstrator protesting with blank sign - https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/russia-protest-war-blank-sign-ve9882053 https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/russia-protest-war-bla...

NoOn3 5y ago
I don't know all cases, but I know people with blank posters was detained and just had a preventive conversation with them and then they were released. And I think in most cases if you don't resist and don't fight with the police, and don't do something very dangerous, then no very serious punishments will be applied to you. Perhaps there are exceptional cases, but they need to be considered especially, perhaps there are special circumstances, . The Western press uses the same techniques as the Russian press often chooses only cases that are beneficial to them and exaggerates their number, so you need to carefully examine different cases and study sources from different sides if possible. I'm not saying that everything in Russia is perfectly democratic and free, I just want to show that everything is not as gloomy as the Western media want to show.

asveikau 5y ago

This isn't much of a refutation of the point. Moreover, some specific individuals have been murdered for speaking about Putin. Anna Politkovskaja and Aleksandr Litvinenko were both murdered for questioning the official narratives on Chechnya.

NoOn3 5y ago
In Chechnya In these times was real chaos and war. There were there a lot of actors who didn't obey anyone, so, of course, there were a lot of crimes. It took a lot of effort to establish the control of the authorities over what was happening. It's hard to clearly say that Anna Politkovskaha was on Putin's orders. Alexandr Litvinenko was different case. He was an defector and former officer not a peaceful human rights activist maybe I can believe it. But not all his statements and his writings has clearly proofs. For example Julian Assange faces the death penalty in the US. And some even claims that was attempts on him... Many developed countries of the world have a history of some strange crime cases and human rights violations. It seems in real world all is so complicated you even can't easy say that these crimes were not deliberately constructed by hostile agents. Only in case than you have very very accurate evidence sometimes only if you have personally seen them... I would like to live in a truly free and democratic country, but I doubt that such a country can exist in conditions when there are necessarily hostile and unfriendly among many other countries...
- asveikau 5y ago
  > For example Julian Assange faces the death penalty in the US I really doubt this would happen. He would probably face a lesser punishment, and you could argue about it being right or wrong, but this doesn't cancel out Russia's terrible track record.
  - NoOn3 4y ago
    Maybe. I wouldn't say that Russia's terrible track record relative to other countries. But I agree that there have been some bad events that we should strive to prevent in the future.