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That sounds like a miserable way to live. Do you have the same assumptions when others engage you in conversation over the internet, or is it only in person?

dharmab 5y ago
This might be a regional/cultural difference. In my city in a flyover state, any stranger who tries to talk to you beyond small talk is almost certainly going to try to sell you something. (Obviously, outside of socialization contexts such as bars, clubs, meetups, etc)
SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
Nice try cultist!
xwdv 5y ago
Most people live miserable lives, especially in this day and age. Occasionally there are moments of joy, but they are fleeting.
- recursive 5y ago
  If that's really true, I'm even more privileged than I realize. I'm rarely miserable. I thought that was pretty normal.
  - fladrif 5y ago
    To be fair, rarely do people have an accurate grasp on what normality is. Just the breadth of human experience is impossible to capture much less experience and process, not to mention the experience of people that is never expressed (I may be having a bad week, but I wouldn't express it, much less share it openly with coworkers)
    - sammalloy 5y ago
      > To be fair, rarely do people have an accurate grasp on what normality is. Well said. I’ve been thinking about this idea for a very long time. Like another user said above, the negativity bias has a large role to play here. I live in a small town and talking with strangers is considered normal and healthy.
damontal 5y ago
Only in person. I live in a major US city. When I was younger I would freely engage anyone who spoke with me. But I found myself in situations where I would be in physical danger sometimes being screamed at sometimes threatened after what began as a seemingly innocuous interaction. And I also got sick of people trying to sell me things or get money from me. I remember in my late teens some guy on the street saying “Hey man! I like your shirt!” My Jimi Hendrix shirt? He must like Jimi Hendrix too. So I started talking with him and in a few minutes he was asking for money. Weeks later I’m wearing a different shirt and I hear “Hey man! I like your shirt!” Once on a commuter train a guy struck up a conversation with me about a book I was reading. It was an interesting conversation. We kept talking as we exited the train and kept talking on the platform as all the other commuters went to their cars and drove away. Now he’s getting kind of excited and raising his voice. And I’m now aware of how large he is and how we are the only two people left at the station. I managed to politely get out of there. Over and over again this kind of thing would happen until I just made a policy to not engage.
- tomcam 5y ago
  Man that’s a depressing state of affairs.
- robocat 5y ago
  > until I just made a policy to not engage That sounds sad. You remind me of a friend (probably on the spectrum), that is too open/polite and just doesn’t know how to filter out abusive people. Unfortunately, the good people that are really really worth talking to, can often read that you are closing yourself off, so they politely won’t interact with you. The “bad” people will ignore your social cues. Perhaps there is a certain amount of channeling. Most women (and plenty of men too) have been on the receiving end of excessive unwanted attention at some point in their lives, and they learn how to read genuine worthwhile friendly approaches, versus predatory unwanted approaches. Spot your friends with that skill, and then try to learn from them? The friends I know that have the skill end up meeting worthwhile people in most any situation they are in; even in predatory environments. Location makes some difference, of course. I have travelled a lot, and some countries or towns everybody is trying to grift, while other places everyone is genuinely open and friendly. Or pubs where everyone is welcoming without pressure, versus other pubs where everyone is trying to use or scam you. Your own context makes a difference: if you are with dogs or kids, more people will default to thinking you are okay (modulo other cues) etcetera. Disclaimer: I’m not great at the above, but I try to learn to improve. The friends I know who are great at the above get awesome opportunities - they also tend to be good people themselves. It is like a secret split in society where kind people recognise each other via unobvious protocols. If you don’t know the protocols, then you end up grouped with users and grifters, which is self-reinforcing and hard to change.
saxonww 5y ago
...Absolutely? When we get unsolicited communication over phone, text, email, IM, etc., we consider it spam. It's almost always someone trying to get you to give money to them or their interest group. As someone who spends most of their day online, it's not hard at all to see why I might start thinking that way about in-person communication from people I don't know.
mise_en_place 5y ago
On the internet I would be even more wary, as anonymity or pseudo anonymity allows degenerates you would normally never interact with to grace your life with their presence. Some of the people I have met online make the two wackos the author met look like saints in comparison.
kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5y ago
Not necessarily. Introverts are content to stick to the friends they already have, and/or just being alone. There's less stress that way.
throwawayboise 5y ago
It depends on context. If I meet someone because of a common interest or thing we are doing (we are at the gym, I recognize them as a regular, and say hi, or whatever) then yes I'll have some light conversation. A totally random person walking up to me and starting to talk? No, that's weird and I'm immediately at yellow alert at minimum, if not searching for the nearest exit.

dharmab 5y ago

This might be a regional/cultural difference. In my city in a flyover state, any stranger who tries to talk to you beyond small talk is almost certainly going to try to sell you something. (Obviously, outside of socialization contexts such as bars, clubs, meetups, etc)

SketchySeaBeast 5y ago

Nice try cultist!

xwdv 5y ago

Most people live miserable lives, especially in this day and age. Occasionally there are moments of joy, but they are fleeting.

recursive 5y ago
If that's really true, I'm even more privileged than I realize. I'm rarely miserable. I thought that was pretty normal.
- fladrif 5y ago
  To be fair, rarely do people have an accurate grasp on what normality is. Just the breadth of human experience is impossible to capture much less experience and process, not to mention the experience of people that is never expressed (I may be having a bad week, but I wouldn't express it, much less share it openly with coworkers)
  - sammalloy 5y ago
    > To be fair, rarely do people have an accurate grasp on what normality is. Well said. I’ve been thinking about this idea for a very long time. Like another user said above, the negativity bias has a large role to play here. I live in a small town and talking with strangers is considered normal and healthy.

damontal 5y ago

Only in person. I live in a major US city. When I was younger I would freely engage anyone who spoke with me. But I found myself in situations where I would be in physical danger sometimes being screamed at sometimes threatened after what began as a seemingly innocuous interaction. And I also got sick of people trying to sell me things or get money from me. I remember in my late teens some guy on the street saying “Hey man! I like your shirt!” My Jimi Hendrix shirt? He must like Jimi Hendrix too. So I started talking with him and in a few minutes he was asking for money. Weeks later I’m wearing a different shirt and I hear “Hey man! I like your shirt!” Once on a commuter train a guy struck up a conversation with me about a book I was reading. It was an interesting conversation. We kept talking as we exited the train and kept talking on the platform as all the other commuters went to their cars and drove away. Now he’s getting kind of excited and raising his voice. And I’m now aware of how large he is and how we are the only two people left at the station. I managed to politely get out of there. Over and over again this kind of thing would happen until I just made a policy to not engage.

tomcam 5y ago
Man that’s a depressing state of affairs.
robocat 5y ago
> until I just made a policy to not engage That sounds sad. You remind me of a friend (probably on the spectrum), that is too open/polite and just doesn’t know how to filter out abusive people. Unfortunately, the good people that are really really worth talking to, can often read that you are closing yourself off, so they politely won’t interact with you. The “bad” people will ignore your social cues. Perhaps there is a certain amount of channeling. Most women (and plenty of men too) have been on the receiving end of excessive unwanted attention at some point in their lives, and they learn how to read genuine worthwhile friendly approaches, versus predatory unwanted approaches. Spot your friends with that skill, and then try to learn from them? The friends I know that have the skill end up meeting worthwhile people in most any situation they are in; even in predatory environments. Location makes some difference, of course. I have travelled a lot, and some countries or towns everybody is trying to grift, while other places everyone is genuinely open and friendly. Or pubs where everyone is welcoming without pressure, versus other pubs where everyone is trying to use or scam you. Your own context makes a difference: if you are with dogs or kids, more people will default to thinking you are okay (modulo other cues) etcetera. Disclaimer: I’m not great at the above, but I try to learn to improve. The friends I know who are great at the above get awesome opportunities - they also tend to be good people themselves. It is like a secret split in society where kind people recognise each other via unobvious protocols. If you don’t know the protocols, then you end up grouped with users and grifters, which is self-reinforcing and hard to change.

saxonww 5y ago

...Absolutely? When we get unsolicited communication over phone, text, email, IM, etc., we consider it spam. It's almost always someone trying to get you to give money to them or their interest group. As someone who spends most of their day online, it's not hard at all to see why I might start thinking that way about in-person communication from people I don't know.

mise_en_place 5y ago

On the internet I would be even more wary, as anonymity or pseudo anonymity allows degenerates you would normally never interact with to grace your life with their presence. Some of the people I have met online make the two wackos the author met look like saints in comparison.

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5y ago

Not necessarily. Introverts are content to stick to the friends they already have, and/or just being alone. There's less stress that way.

throwawayboise 5y ago

It depends on context. If I meet someone because of a common interest or thing we are doing (we are at the gym, I recognize them as a regular, and say hi, or whatever) then yes I'll have some light conversation. A totally random person walking up to me and starting to talk? No, that's weird and I'm immediately at yellow alert at minimum, if not searching for the nearest exit.