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Everything 'RE'written in X, Y or Z will look better because the problem was already solved, you only have to rewrite the text

tialaramex 5y ago
There's perhaps some tiny kernel of truth in this, but as a generalisation it's obviously horribly wrong. Imagine trying to rewrite GCC in Bourne shell, or trying to rewrite the Linux kernel as Java. The results are not going to "look better" they're going to be awful, these languages are a terrible fit for the problem. What people keep finding with Rust is that it's a really nice language to write software you might otherwise write in C or C++. The defaults are correct, the tooling is great, the errors are superb, it's just a very nice experience.
- glouwbug 5y ago
  Low level systems programming in bash can be done: https://sdomi.pl/weblog/15-witchcraft-minecraft-server-in-bash/ https://sdomi.pl/weblog/15-witchcraft-minecraft-server-in-ba...
- pjmlp 5y ago
  I wouldn't call a very nice experience using Rust in anything related to GUI, graphics programming, HPC or distributed computing. Maybe in a couple of years.
  - tialaramex 5y ago
    Some years ago I used to write some Gtk software (in C of course), and it seems to me that gtk4-rs is rather nicer than what I remember.
    - pjmlp 5y ago
      That is like discussing about sports car, and someone telling that they managed to do the same route in a bycicle. No designer, no localization workflows, no integration with UI/UX tooling, assistive tech stuck in the days Sun sponsored the project, no component ecosystem.
      - tialaramex 5y ago
        I can't say what you might call "a very nice experience" only tell you what my experience was like for me. Maybe you have examples of a "real" sports car GUI which you were able to re-write in Bourne shell using your preferred toolkit ? An HPC application which was a real joy to maintain once you'd converted it from C to Java ? That's the thrust of what's being discussed here, rewrites to another language, the__alchemist says they rewrote from C to Rust and it made their code "much cleaner and more explicit", Shadonototra insists this would happen for any language, and I opined (with some practical experience) that this just isn't so.
        pjmlp 5y ago
        Nice experience is using CUDA with NInsights, Unreal with Blueprints and C++ live coding/HotReload, QtDesigner/WPF Blend/SwiftUI/Cocoa, MetalKit and its GPU debugger. Distributed computing stuff in Akka and Orleans. HPC example? Plenty of stuff converted from Fortran/C LEP days into C++ at CERN during LHC rampup. My little part was in Atlas-TDAQ HLT.

tialaramex 5y ago

There's perhaps some tiny kernel of truth in this, but as a generalisation it's obviously horribly wrong. Imagine trying to rewrite GCC in Bourne shell, or trying to rewrite the Linux kernel as Java. The results are not going to "look better" they're going to be awful, these languages are a terrible fit for the problem. What people keep finding with Rust is that it's a really nice language to write software you might otherwise write in C or C++. The defaults are correct, the tooling is great, the errors are superb, it's just a very nice experience.

glouwbug 5y ago
Low level systems programming in bash can be done: https://sdomi.pl/weblog/15-witchcraft-minecraft-server-in-bash/ https://sdomi.pl/weblog/15-witchcraft-minecraft-server-in-ba...
pjmlp 5y ago
I wouldn't call a very nice experience using Rust in anything related to GUI, graphics programming, HPC or distributed computing. Maybe in a couple of years.
- tialaramex 5y ago
  Some years ago I used to write some Gtk software (in C of course), and it seems to me that gtk4-rs is rather nicer than what I remember.
  - pjmlp 5y ago
    That is like discussing about sports car, and someone telling that they managed to do the same route in a bycicle. No designer, no localization workflows, no integration with UI/UX tooling, assistive tech stuck in the days Sun sponsored the project, no component ecosystem.
    - tialaramex 5y ago
      I can't say what you might call "a very nice experience" only tell you what my experience was like for me. Maybe you have examples of a "real" sports car GUI which you were able to re-write in Bourne shell using your preferred toolkit ? An HPC application which was a real joy to maintain once you'd converted it from C to Java ? That's the thrust of what's being discussed here, rewrites to another language, the__alchemist says they rewrote from C to Rust and it made their code "much cleaner and more explicit", Shadonototra insists this would happen for any language, and I opined (with some practical experience) that this just isn't so.
      - pjmlp 5y ago
        Nice experience is using CUDA with NInsights, Unreal with Blueprints and C++ live coding/HotReload, QtDesigner/WPF Blend/SwiftUI/Cocoa, MetalKit and its GPU debugger. Distributed computing stuff in Akka and Orleans. HPC example? Plenty of stuff converted from Fortran/C LEP days into C++ at CERN during LHC rampup. My little part was in Atlas-TDAQ HLT.