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That was the deal a few weeks ago. After the atrocities that their army has committed in my country, I do not think I will ever unblock traffic from Russian Fed

That was the deal a few weeks ago. After the atrocities that their army has committed in my country, I do not think I will ever unblock traffic from Russian Federation.

ttybird2 4y ago
Oh, I thought that you were Hungarian (after reading https://github.com/pnpm/pnpm/issues/1080#issuecomment-373872267 https://github.com/pnpm/pnpm/issues/1080#issuecomment-373872...), but I guess you are both? Your reaction makes more sense in that case. Although I do hope that you will reconsider the idea of a permanent block, I believe that open source (and the world in general) would be much worse and divides between nations would be greater if Greek software blocked Turkey, Israeli software blocked Germany, middle eastern software blocked the US, etc.
jrochkind1 4y ago
If that's how it works, there's a lot of people on the planet who have good reason to block traffic from the USA. Fortunately for me as a developer in the USA, I guess most of them, in the Global south, aren't developers, or know they can't be successful as developers blocking traffic from the USA, no matter how many atrocities the US military or intelligence have committed in their countries. :(. I guess if they wanted to try, it's an interesting question if that would be some kind of effective action in changing US atrocious behavior. Probably not. :( That said, this is basically a form of boycott. There does seem to have been some significant change of opinion around the value and ethics of the tool, from when the main example we had was the BDS movement called by Palestinian civil society against Israel. (Which by the way, does not in fact call for doing things like blocking all network access to those in Israel, what people are doing against Russia is way broader and less targetted than what the... more controversial(?) Palestinian-led BDS has done or called for against Israel. Which is interesting.)
- zkochan 4y ago
  In the USA there are different people. Good and bad. There are states that are very conservative and there is California. There are some basic values that everyone agrees upon. I think nobody can claim that everyone is bad or good in the US. Same goes for any other democratic society. Same goes for Ukraine. There are a lot of people that I don't like in Ukraine. In Russia there are some good people but they are in extreme minority. Extreme. Even the liberals in Russia are supporting the annexation of Crimea. Maybe the dictatorship is the reason, maybe the propaganda. I don't know and I don't care. This is how it is and I do what I can to exclude them from my life.
  - throwaway0x7E6 4y ago
    - zkochan 4y ago
      > US-backed color revolutions - including the one in your very own country, I see I hope you won't use pnpm and we won't speak again.
      - throwaway0x7E6 4y ago
        I don't intend to, and yes, hopefully we won't
      - ttybird2 4y ago
        As much as you disagree with it, posting it on twitter to harass and get your followed to dunk on that person is not acceptable. https://twitter.com/ZoltanKochan/status/1511638290608308228 https://twitter.com/ZoltanKochan/status/1511638290608308228 Also please do not misunderstand, people mention the US acts in order to point out the hypocrisy shown, not to justify the invasion.
        throwaway0x7E6 4y ago
        ah, I was wondering why did this comment chain get flagged so long after the fact
    - maxgraey 4y ago
      > Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, all within the very recent history, plus countless more US-backed color revolutions - including the one in your very own country, which realistically is the very reason for the current state of affairs in there. Oh God! You and your conspiracy theories are annoying. If the U.S. is so powerful, why hasn't it organized a color revolution in Russia or at least in Serbia, maybe in pro-Russian Hungary? I was at both revolutions in Ukraine and I know why they arose, they were supported by the Ukrainian people, self-organized. And it's been like that all through our history. You don't know shit about the political situation in Ukraine and its history, but you think you have it all figured out. I'm sure you don't even know your own history. So don't talk bullshit!
epolanski 4y ago
> After the atrocities that their army has committed in my country, I do not think I will ever unblock traffic from Russian Federation. Are you gonna ban Israeli for their apartheid, chinese for the uighurs concentration camps, myanmari for ethnic cleansings of Rohingya? What about americans and the 200k civilians killed in iraq in an illegal and unprovoked aggression? See what's the point of doing lame politics like that? You end up declaring to the world that 800 villages burned and 50k civilians thrown in fire matter none to you because they aren't white. I feel disgust at these double standards, at showing to the world that there are tier 1 and tier 2 victims. Or do you just care a

That was the deal a few weeks ago. After the atrocities that their army has committed in my country, I do not think I will ever unblock traffic from Russian Federation.

ttybird2 4y ago

Oh, I thought that you were Hungarian (after reading https://github.com/pnpm/pnpm/issues/1080#issuecomment-373872267 https://github.com/pnpm/pnpm/issues/1080#issuecomment-373872...), but I guess you are both? Your reaction makes more sense in that case. Although I do hope that you will reconsider the idea of a permanent block, I believe that open source (and the world in general) would be much worse and divides between nations would be greater if Greek software blocked Turkey, Israeli software blocked Germany, middle eastern software blocked the US, etc.

jrochkind1 4y ago

If that's how it works, there's a lot of people on the planet who have good reason to block traffic from the USA. Fortunately for me as a developer in the USA, I guess most of them, in the Global south, aren't developers, or know they can't be successful as developers blocking traffic from the USA, no matter how many atrocities the US military or intelligence have committed in their countries. :(. I guess if they wanted to try, it's an interesting question if that would be some kind of effective action in changing US atrocious behavior. Probably not. :( That said, this is basically a form of boycott. There does seem to have been some significant change of opinion around the value and ethics of the tool, from when the main example we had was the BDS movement called by Palestinian civil society against Israel. (Which by the way, does not in fact call for doing things like blocking all network access to those in Israel, what people are doing against Russia is way broader and less targetted than what the... more controversial(?) Palestinian-led BDS has done or called for against Israel. Which is interesting.)

zkochan 4y ago
In the USA there are different people. Good and bad. There are states that are very conservative and there is California. There are some basic values that everyone agrees upon. I think nobody can claim that everyone is bad or good in the US. Same goes for any other democratic society. Same goes for Ukraine. There are a lot of people that I don't like in Ukraine. In Russia there are some good people but they are in extreme minority. Extreme. Even the liberals in Russia are supporting the annexation of Crimea. Maybe the dictatorship is the reason, maybe the propaganda. I don't know and I don't care. This is how it is and I do what I can to exclude them from my life.
- throwaway0x7E6 4y ago
  - zkochan 4y ago
    > US-backed color revolutions - including the one in your very own country, I see I hope you won't use pnpm and we won't speak again.
    - throwaway0x7E6 4y ago
      I don't intend to, and yes, hopefully we won't
    - ttybird2 4y ago
      As much as you disagree with it, posting it on twitter to harass and get your followed to dunk on that person is not acceptable. https://twitter.com/ZoltanKochan/status/1511638290608308228 https://twitter.com/ZoltanKochan/status/1511638290608308228 Also please do not misunderstand, people mention the US acts in order to point out the hypocrisy shown, not to justify the invasion.
      - throwaway0x7E6 4y ago
        ah, I was wondering why did this comment chain get flagged so long after the fact
  - maxgraey 4y ago
    > Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, all within the very recent history, plus countless more US-backed color revolutions - including the one in your very own country, which realistically is the very reason for the current state of affairs in there. Oh God! You and your conspiracy theories are annoying. If the U.S. is so powerful, why hasn't it organized a color revolution in Russia or at least in Serbia, maybe in pro-Russian Hungary? I was at both revolutions in Ukraine and I know why they arose, they were supported by the Ukrainian people, self-organized. And it's been like that all through our history. You don't know shit about the political situation in Ukraine and its history, but you think you have it all figured out. I'm sure you don't even know your own history. So don't talk bullshit!

epolanski 4y ago

> After the atrocities that their army has committed in my country, I do not think I will ever unblock traffic from Russian Federation. Are you gonna ban Israeli for their apartheid, chinese for the uighurs concentration camps, myanmari for ethnic cleansings of Rohingya? What about americans and the 200k civilians killed in iraq in an illegal and unprovoked aggression? See what's the point of doing lame politics like that? You end up declaring to the world that 800 villages burned and 50k civilians thrown in fire matter none to you because they aren't white. I feel disgust at these double standards, at showing to the world that there are tier 1 and tier 2 victims. Or do you just care a