7 ms·
Anybody know if there are considerations or plans for things like: - Mandatory periodic ID transmit (via RF) by drones at specific altitudes or in specific are
by themodelplumber 5y ago
Anybody know if there are considerations or plans for things like:
- Mandatory periodic ID transmit (via RF) by drones at specific altitudes or in specific areas
- Standardized visual marking schemes for drones by class, for example municipal, commercial, federal, etc.
Just wondering because for example my city announced that they'll be using drones for power pole checks, which will include a lot of backyard operation. I'd like to be able to identify them if needed.
- jaboutboul 5y agoThere are. See things like: https://www.faa.gov/uas/getting_started/remote_id/ https://www.faa.gov/uas/getting_started/remote_id/
- walrus01 5y agoIf your city or local electrical grid utility is using drones for power line inspections they'll be operated by a FAA part 107 licensed remote pilot, who is familiar with all the legal requirements. No need to be overly concerned about it. https://www.faa.gov/uas/commercial_operators/ https://www.faa.gov/uas/commercial_operators/
- TaylorAlexander 5y agoI gathered that the point of the question is whether one would be able to distinguish between a power company drone and some random person flying in their back yard.
- walrus01 5y agoSome companies do use things like a mavic 2 pro for inspections, which consumers also purchase, there are no specific marking requirements (other than strobe if authorized for night operations) that a part 107 operated UAS would have that would be visible from the ground compared to the same hardware operated by a hobbyist. If it's large and expensive the likelihood that it's some random person decreases, it's easy for a UAS with a thermal camera to be $8,000+.
- _jal 5y ago> If it's large and expensive the likelihood that it's some random person decreases We have identification requirements for other types of planes that cost significantly more. On the other hand, I've seen utility-branded work clothing at Goodwill.
- HappyDreamer 5y ago> If it's large and expensive the likelihood that it's some random person decreases, it's easy for a UAS with a thermal camera to be $8,000+. Or it's a fake thermal camera for $8 -- just some plastics but nothing inside. How is anyone a bit away going to know? Threat modeling wise, these things could be bad & dangerous in one, two, three, four, more, different ways
- walrus01 5y agoI'd be vastly more concerned about the number of people dying from getting shot or in traffic accidents/drunk driving every year in the USA than people weaponizing hobbyist level drones. > Threat modeling wise, these things could be bad & dangerous in one, two, three, four, more, different ways you could say that about a Toyota Camry
- Breza 5y agoI don't think anybody is going to break into my house because they surveilled the place with a drone. I do worry about feeling less secure on my property because someone keeps watching me in the backyard with a drone and I have no way of finding out who it is. There are plenty of fantastic things that drones can do, I just want greater accountability in knowing who is doing what. There's a reason trucks from Rando Contractor LLC carry a giant "VERIZON CONTRACTOR" sign on the side.
- Mountain_Skies 5y agoYou can be concerned about gingivitis even though heart disease continues to exist.
- teeray 5y agoYou won’t be able to do this, even once Remote ID is in effect. Only the FAA and law enforcement will be able to.
- deleted 5y ago[deleted]
- dymk 5y agoHow would you distinguish a rando with a clipboard and high-viz vest from a city worker with a clipboard and a high-viz vest?
- macksd 5y agoThe city worker carries credentials and is usually driving a marked government vehicle. Neither one gets to be in my backyard without talking to me first.
- dymk 5y agoDo you have power poles literally in your backyard, on an easement or something?
- quinnjh 5y agoAre you suggesting a drone inspecting power poles would be unable to see over a fence?
- dymk 5y agoAre you suggesting a person on a power pole is unable to see over a fence?
- macksd 5y agoYeah but you're replying in a thread below where I already answered your question about how these concerns get addressed with a person.
- patmorgan23 5y agoYes the done inspecting the 20ft power pole can see over the 6 ft fence.
- thedanbob 5y agoIt's pretty common. My first house was connected to a pole in my neighbor's backyard, and my current house has one in the front yard.
- teeray 5y ago> Mandatory periodic ID transmit (via RF) by drones at specific altitudes or in specific areas Remote ID in the US will be in effect September 2023. It functions like a license plate: you won’t be able to identify the operator, but law enforcement will be able to. It will broadcast the location of the drone, the altitude, and the operator’s position. All drones that need to be registered will also need Remote ID unless they’re flown in a (yet to be designated) FRIA zone (so sub-250g flying recreationally are exempt) > Standardized visual marking schemes for drones by class, for example municipal, commercial, federal, etc. None, unless it’s something required by their Certificate of Authorization, which a municipality may be operating under (otherwise it’s Part 107). Realistically, if such a requirement were stipulated it would likely be lights of a certain color / pattern.
- the__alchemist 5y ago> Remote ID in the US will be in effect September 2023. Not if RDQ can help it - https://www.racedayquads.com/pages/faa-legal-battle-to-save-fpv https://www.racedayquads.com/pages/faa-legal-battle-to-save-...
- Mountain_Skies 5y agoWonder how long it will take for a project similar to FlightAware to pop up from the people who have SDRs set up to monitor RF in their area.
- dredmorbius 5y agoIf those IDs are fixed, then third parties will be able to collate identities and owners or operators over time. Do you have any details / references on the specification?
- teeray 5y agoThere’s a randomization aspect to it to thwart that. The specs haven’t been finalized, but they’ve been given to ASTM to flesh out. The Federal Aviation Regulation basically spells out the requirements at this point. I believe this is a draft [0] (it could be final too at this point). From there, here’s the specific ID randomization: > UTM (UUID): A UTM-provided unique ID traceable to the Registration ID that can act like a “session id” to protect exposure of operationally sensitive information. [0] https://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eoDownloadDocument?pubId=&eodoc=true&documentID=7280 https://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eoDownloadDocument?pubId=&...
- 14 5y agoBatman has something to say. Joking aside it would be interesting to see this used my a malicious actor leading people to a malicious website.
- annoyingnoob 5y agoSeems like an obvious use. Not getting caught doing so while managing a large number of drones may be a different matter.
- lupire 5y agoThat has terrible ROI compared to publishing a link on the Internet.
- fy20 5y agoAdd an animation to cycle between the QR code and the text "FREE BITCOIN". Problem solved.