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Do you use Windows? Have you ever opened its terminal? Congrats, you're using a terminal that you agreed can phone home with telemtry. See https://www.micros

Do you use Windows? Have you ever opened its terminal? Congrats, you're using a terminal that you agreed can phone home with telemtry. See https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/windows-terminal/9n0dx20hk701#activetab=pivot:overviewtab https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/windows-terminal/9n0dx20hk... and the link to the privacy policy for windows terminal http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=521839 http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=521839 I suspect OSX is no different and has similar telemetry and privacy policy for its terminal.

banana_maker 5y ago
Exactly, that's why people tend not to choose Windows for development unless they're forced to. edit: use -> choose
- Kuinox 5y ago
  This is so far from truth it's hilarious.
- hoistbypetard 5y ago
  > Exactly, that's why people tend not to choose Windows for development unless they're forced to. In my experience, most people who are developing software for Windows choose to use it to develop that software. There are a great many people who choose to develop software for Windows.
  - andrewzah 5y ago
    Well, that's obvious. If I had to develop software for windows (or OSX) then I'd be using those platforms to build/test those tools. But I choose not to.
gerbilly 5y ago
Nope. I have never used Windows on any of my personal machines, not ever. I am waiting this MS Windows thing out, you could say. At work I have used it in some cases when not given the choice. If some company I am working for is fine with the Windows CLIs telemetry, then I suppose it is up to them, although I'd argue against it.
Longlius 5y ago
No. I don't use Windows. Or OS X.
ushakov 5y ago
> I suspect OSX is no different and has similar telemetry and privacy policy for its terminal wrong, Apple isn't Microsoft
Klonoar 5y ago
In an (absurd-ish) defense of macOS, I don't believe anyone really uses the built-in Terminal and grabs an alternative (often iTerm2). There's also the rumor that Terminal in macOS has had a handful of developers working on it, at best, over the years. I would bet money that Apple doesn't care enough about it to bother with telemetry and/or privacy policies for it.
- digisign 5y ago
  Yes, they never substantially upgraded it once it hit 1.0 about two decades ago.
- GekkePrutser 5y ago
  I bet that's true. MacOS terminal is basically still the one from next step. They've kept it up to date with changes like GUI toolkits and added a few minor things like tabs. But that's about it. Fwiw I never bothered with iTerm, Terminal is good enough for me. It even supports some old school vt100 stuff like double width and height fonts. It's one of the better vt100 compatible ones.
- wodenokoto 5y ago
  It’s the only terminal I use on macOS. It’s a really “gets out of your way” piece of software. And super closed source.
- metadat 5y ago
  I used iTerm from 2010-2018, but then I saw a respected colleague not using iTerm, so I decided to try out the Terminal.app bundled with macOS. It actually works fine, the only difference is that it never gets slow and is available on ever mac machine.
- monocularvision 5y ago
  I have been using the built-in macOS terminal every day for years now.
- madeofpalk 5y ago
  I still find macOS Terminal to be noticeably faster than item. At displaying my keyboard input and shell output. It lacks other features, namely split windows, that move me to iTerm, but I do like how fast Terminal is. > There's also the rumor that Terminal in macOS has had a handful of developers working on it, at best, over the years. This but every app on the mac that isn't Safari.
digisign 5y ago
Would you expect anything less than a product from the first company to lie down for the NSA?
titaniumtown 5y ago
> forgets linux exists
einpoklum 5y ago
> Do you use Windows? Whenever I do that, I can never decide whether it's me who's using Windows or Windows that's using me :-(
Liquid_Fire 5y ago
Note that this is Windows Terminal, not the default terminal that actually ships with Windows (unless that has changed in Windows 11?)
microflash 5y ago
But Windows Terminal is open-source and probably someday community will fork it to remove telemetry the way they did with VSCode.

banana_maker 5y ago

Exactly, that's why people tend not to choose Windows for development unless they're forced to. edit: use -> choose

Kuinox 5y ago
This is so far from truth it's hilarious.
hoistbypetard 5y ago
> Exactly, that's why people tend not to choose Windows for development unless they're forced to. In my experience, most people who are developing software for Windows choose to use it to develop that software. There are a great many people who choose to develop software for Windows.
- andrewzah 5y ago
  Well, that's obvious. If I had to develop software for windows (or OSX) then I'd be using those platforms to build/test those tools. But I choose not to.

gerbilly 5y ago

Nope. I have never used Windows on any of my personal machines, not ever. I am waiting this MS Windows thing out, you could say. At work I have used it in some cases when not given the choice. If some company I am working for is fine with the Windows CLIs telemetry, then I suppose it is up to them, although I'd argue against it.

Longlius 5y ago

No. I don't use Windows. Or OS X.

ushakov 5y ago

> I suspect OSX is no different and has similar telemetry and privacy policy for its terminal wrong, Apple isn't Microsoft

Klonoar 5y ago

In an (absurd-ish) defense of macOS, I don't believe anyone really uses the built-in Terminal and grabs an alternative (often iTerm2). There's also the rumor that Terminal in macOS has had a handful of developers working on it, at best, over the years. I would bet money that Apple doesn't care enough about it to bother with telemetry and/or privacy policies for it.

digisign 5y ago
Yes, they never substantially upgraded it once it hit 1.0 about two decades ago.
GekkePrutser 5y ago
I bet that's true. MacOS terminal is basically still the one from next step. They've kept it up to date with changes like GUI toolkits and added a few minor things like tabs. But that's about it. Fwiw I never bothered with iTerm, Terminal is good enough for me. It even supports some old school vt100 stuff like double width and height fonts. It's one of the better vt100 compatible ones.
wodenokoto 5y ago
It’s the only terminal I use on macOS. It’s a really “gets out of your way” piece of software. And super closed source.
metadat 5y ago
I used iTerm from 2010-2018, but then I saw a respected colleague not using iTerm, so I decided to try out the Terminal.app bundled with macOS. It actually works fine, the only difference is that it never gets slow and is available on ever mac machine.
monocularvision 5y ago
I have been using the built-in macOS terminal every day for years now.
madeofpalk 5y ago
I still find macOS Terminal to be noticeably faster than item. At displaying my keyboard input and shell output. It lacks other features, namely split windows, that move me to iTerm, but I do like how fast Terminal is. > There's also the rumor that Terminal in macOS has had a handful of developers working on it, at best, over the years. This but every app on the mac that isn't Safari.

digisign 5y ago

Would you expect anything less than a product from the first company to lie down for the NSA?

titaniumtown 5y ago

> forgets linux exists

einpoklum 5y ago

> Do you use Windows? Whenever I do that, I can never decide whether it's me who's using Windows or Windows that's using me :-(

Liquid_Fire 5y ago

Note that this is Windows Terminal, not the default terminal that actually ships with Windows (unless that has changed in Windows 11?)

microflash 5y ago

But Windows Terminal is open-source and probably someday community will fork it to remove telemetry the way they did with VSCode.