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> Give me relevant links to my term, with no SEO spam I think achieving this would be worth billions, at least? We really tend to underestimate the amount of

> Give me relevant links to my term, with no SEO spam I think achieving this would be worth billions, at least? We really tend to underestimate the amount of spam on the internet. Google does badly here: it overcorrects and you get only super safe results. Yandex? Unless you get lucky, lots of spam.

sanxiyn 5y ago
I still get lots of spam on Google. Maybe it's better for English? I mostly search in Korean.
np- 5y ago
The problem is that for every $1 someone is willing to spend to not have spammy results, a spammer is willing to pay $10 for you to see it anyway. And the more "trustworthy" a platform grows, then the going price for manipulating it will keep rising until they hire the right MBA who decides to squander the company's reputation for a quick buck. Seems to be a recurring theme at least.
Nextgrid 5y ago
Making spam unprofitable would be a good first step. Rather than trying to detect whether something is spam or not, just target how spam sites are funded: ads, analytics, affiliate links, etc and use those as a negative ranking signal. You'll still get spam if that's all that matches your query, but now all it takes is for someone to make a page matching the query without the aforementioned items to outrank the spam results. You wouldn't need to append "site:reddit.com" to your queries because the (mostly) non-commercial Reddit results would automatically outrank all the blogspam and listicles. If ads were downranked it would make a lot of spam/clickbait/listicles unprofitable overnight as they'd rank low enough that the costs of creating & maintaining the spam site/content would outgrow the returns from ad impressions.
- xtracto 5y ago
  > Making spam unprofitable would be a good first step. Rather than trying to detect whether something is spam or not, just target how spam sites are funded: ads, analytics, affiliate links, etc and use those as a negative ranking signal. This would be a really interesting experiment: A search engine that ranks websites by the amount of Ads and other spam that they contain.
  - usui 5y ago
    Kagi is experimenting with this already. It's one of the options to filter trackers in the page.
wormer 5y ago
I think it would probably be worthless. SEO means money spent to the search engine company, and why improve UX when you could buy your seventh super yacht?
- ezekg 5y ago
  Not every search engine needs to be an ads company, though. I'd pay /mo for a good one. Why not? Currently trying Kagi.
bsparker 5y ago
This is one of the reasons I love working for You.com. SEO is killing Google and it needs to be addressed before it kills the internet. Having the opportunity to build an app that solves a search, instead of perpetuating a spam system, has been really rewarding... and we're just getting started.
- ezekg 5y ago
  It's crazy how quickly I got quality results for "java ed25519 bouncy castle" on both You and Kagi. I literally spent all day on Monday using Goog and DDG trying to find implementation examples of Ed25519 and AES-256-GCM in Java, trying every variation of keyword, verbatim quotes, and site scope I could think of, and ended up using GH gist search instead to find what I was looking for. The results on Goog/DDG were literally all SEO spam sites copying content from SO or the Bouncy Castle docs that I had already read. I've been trying out Kagi as my default search engine, but will give You a try next.

sanxiyn 5y ago

I still get lots of spam on Google. Maybe it's better for English? I mostly search in Korean.

np- 5y ago

The problem is that for every $1 someone is willing to spend to not have spammy results, a spammer is willing to pay $10 for you to see it anyway. And the more "trustworthy" a platform grows, then the going price for manipulating it will keep rising until they hire the right MBA who decides to squander the company's reputation for a quick buck. Seems to be a recurring theme at least.

Nextgrid 5y ago

Making spam unprofitable would be a good first step. Rather than trying to detect whether something is spam or not, just target how spam sites are funded: ads, analytics, affiliate links, etc and use those as a negative ranking signal. You'll still get spam if that's all that matches your query, but now all it takes is for someone to make a page matching the query without the aforementioned items to outrank the spam results. You wouldn't need to append "site:reddit.com" to your queries because the (mostly) non-commercial Reddit results would automatically outrank all the blogspam and listicles. If ads were downranked it would make a lot of spam/clickbait/listicles unprofitable overnight as they'd rank low enough that the costs of creating & maintaining the spam site/content would outgrow the returns from ad impressions.

xtracto 5y ago
> Making spam unprofitable would be a good first step. Rather than trying to detect whether something is spam or not, just target how spam sites are funded: ads, analytics, affiliate links, etc and use those as a negative ranking signal. This would be a really interesting experiment: A search engine that ranks websites by the amount of Ads and other spam that they contain.
- usui 5y ago
  Kagi is experimenting with this already. It's one of the options to filter trackers in the page.

wormer 5y ago

I think it would probably be worthless. SEO means money spent to the search engine company, and why improve UX when you could buy your seventh super yacht?

ezekg 5y ago
Not every search engine needs to be an ads company, though. I'd pay /mo for a good one. Why not? Currently trying Kagi.

bsparker 5y ago

This is one of the reasons I love working for You.com. SEO is killing Google and it needs to be addressed before it kills the internet. Having the opportunity to build an app that solves a search, instead of perpetuating a spam system, has been really rewarding... and we're just getting started.

ezekg 5y ago
It's crazy how quickly I got quality results for "java ed25519 bouncy castle" on both You and Kagi. I literally spent all day on Monday using Goog and DDG trying to find implementation examples of Ed25519 and AES-256-GCM in Java, trying every variation of keyword, verbatim quotes, and site scope I could think of, and ended up using GH gist search instead to find what I was looking for. The results on Goog/DDG were literally all SEO spam sites copying content from SO or the Bouncy Castle docs that I had already read. I've been trying out Kagi as my default search engine, but will give You a try next.