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Try to gatekeep all you want; but punks failed to defend their anti-corporate credibility and not only tolerated, but embraced corporate appropriation of their

Try to gatekeep all you want; but punks failed to defend their anti-corporate credibility and not only tolerated, but embraced corporate appropriation of their culture. They rode out punk's credibility while riding on boards from Zumies, wearing Hot Topic, and listening to Sum 41 . CDPR is about as authentic as you'll find in high-budget video game development; and as I enjoy high-fidelity entertainment, as well as Pondsmith's take on Cyberpunk, I quite enjoyed CP2077.

rainonmoon 5y ago
It's tragic that you refer (erroneously) to "punks" so firmly in the past tense, while awarding credibility to a company best known for its exploitative overtime practices. How's the view from Arasaka Tower?
- dleslie 5y ago
  It's best known for its award-winning games and its digital distribution network. The alleged egregious overtime was acknowledged as a voluntary undertaking by several team members, and it seems as though the journalists didn't bother to investigate into the allegations they received from a couple of complainers and opted to report them at face value. The subsequent response from the company affirmed my understanding, where they publicly apologized for bugs, reported to shareholders about their efforts to correct internal development processes, and so forth. As though working an extra 8h a week during the final months before a hard deadline is either unheard of or intolerable. There was no exodus of talent from CDPR.
pas 5y ago
hm. a lot of people imitating the cool punk kids indeed wore similar clothing and went to concerts of punk-ish bands. and indeed many original punk bands found commercial success does that somehow invalidate punks? at best it shows that - like all (?) things before it - punk was also consumed by consumerism.
- krapp 5y ago
  >does that somehow invalidate punks? Yes. When a movement whose entire thesis is "fuck the establishment" gets co-opted by the establishment, it becomes invalid as a movement, a hollow and pathetic shell of itself. Punk is anti-society, anti-religion, anti-government, anti-authority, anti-conformity, anti everything, even anti-music to a degree. Its relevance died as soon as the last punk lived past 30 and it became old people music. Just another style to buy at Hot Topic.

rainonmoon 5y ago

It's tragic that you refer (erroneously) to "punks" so firmly in the past tense, while awarding credibility to a company best known for its exploitative overtime practices. How's the view from Arasaka Tower?

dleslie 5y ago
It's best known for its award-winning games and its digital distribution network. The alleged egregious overtime was acknowledged as a voluntary undertaking by several team members, and it seems as though the journalists didn't bother to investigate into the allegations they received from a couple of complainers and opted to report them at face value. The subsequent response from the company affirmed my understanding, where they publicly apologized for bugs, reported to shareholders about their efforts to correct internal development processes, and so forth. As though working an extra 8h a week during the final months before a hard deadline is either unheard of or intolerable. There was no exodus of talent from CDPR.

pas 5y ago

hm. a lot of people imitating the cool punk kids indeed wore similar clothing and went to concerts of punk-ish bands. and indeed many original punk bands found commercial success does that somehow invalidate punks? at best it shows that - like all (?) things before it - punk was also consumed by consumerism.

krapp 5y ago
>does that somehow invalidate punks? Yes. When a movement whose entire thesis is "fuck the establishment" gets co-opted by the establishment, it becomes invalid as a movement, a hollow and pathetic shell of itself. Punk is anti-society, anti-religion, anti-government, anti-authority, anti-conformity, anti everything, even anti-music to a degree. Its relevance died as soon as the last punk lived past 30 and it became old people music. Just another style to buy at Hot Topic.