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Given that we're talking about people like Éric Zemmour who are mainstream candidates in French Conservative politics now despite being literally convicted for

Given that we're talking about people like Éric Zemmour who are mainstream candidates in French Conservative politics now despite being literally convicted for inciting racial hatred several times that says more about the state of French politics than it says about Twitter's moderation policies. That's a general theme with these 'I got banned, how overly sensitive!' stories. 95% of the time you don't need to scroll long until you find some genuinely vile stuff. I honestly cannot figure out how anyone who behaves even half-civilized ends up being banned by any of these platforms, it's kind of wild how much garbage you can post.

1337shadow 5y ago
You can't believe? Then why does even twitter admit it?? https://www.lefigaro.fr/medias/twitter-plusieurs-comptes-lies-a-eric-zemmour-et-marine-le-pen-suspendus-pendant-une-heure-20220304 https://www.lefigaro.fr/medias/twitter-plusieurs-comptes-lie... "By mistake", that's twitter's version of the story, so, there goes some new information for you, sorry if it's crushing your beliefs. As for the long story: EZ was convicted for saying that most insecurity comes from immigrants, which is actually true when you look at the Calonge file - you just have to be part of the police or work in defense to see it, and France forbids ethnical statistics so people can't be made aware publicly about that, except by syndicalist cops such as Bruno Attal. The conviction is purely political and EZ should have appealed but he was just a journalist at the time and preferred to consider this conviction a medal of honnor. Nonetheless, he didn't have twitter at the time, he has twitter since he's a candidate, and his account is completely clean, so is the GZ party's, but those were closed "by mistake" by twitter according to twitter itself, and since then, their content is systematically marked sensitive, for absolutely no reason.
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- forty 5y ago
  It is important not to confuse correlation and causation though (I mean even if your speculation that most insecurity* comes from immigrants was true). Also EZ have made it very clear that he doesn't have that much problems when immigrants are white and christian (even recently when discussing immigrants from Ukraine) so it's not like he is really hiding that everything he says about immigrants is really about non white and Muslim people. * Not exactly sure what insecurity means exactly. I feel it's often used to mean "the feeling ignorant people have when they see foreigners" in which case you might be right :)
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  - laurent92 5y ago
    EZ also made it clear that a French Muslim is French and he won’t touch them, so it’s not like he’s hiding that he’s targetting delinquants. Targetting delinquants is often seen as straight up racist, which kind of proves the point. EZ is the Muslims’ best opportunity to separate the good from the evils, because many Muslims in France would like the bad ones to be convicted, which the current system prevents. Macron has instaurated a system that can be summarized as “Let’s free all Muslim criminals”, which does a lot of torts to all of them.
  - 1337shadow 5y ago
    > if your speculation that most insecurity* comes from immigrants was true > * Not exactly sure what insecurity means exactly. I feel it's often used to mean "the feeling ignorant people have when they see foreigners" in which case you might be right :) It's not a feeling, we have the data, it's just illegal to publish them in France because ethnical statistics are forbidden: https://youtu.be/2tCmyi62yH0?t=416 https://youtu.be/2tCmyi62yH0?t=416 In 2021, 1659 anti-religious acts were recorded in France, including 857 anti-Christian acts (52%), 589 anti-Semitic acts (36%) and 213 anti-Muslim acts (13%) https://www.vie-publique.fr/rapport/284641-les-actes-antireligieux-en-france https://www.vie-publique.fr/rapport/284641-les-actes-antirel... But yeah, go ahead and say we have a "feeling of insecurity because we are racist", I won't blame you, I've been doing the same for 15 years or so. Meanwhile, let me know if you want more data because I have tons. What, you want to talk demographics now ? ;) Criminals with double nationality must be removed from the country, that'll already be a great improvement. Hey Americans! Did you know police and firemen are assaulted every day somewhere in France? Here's for today https://twitter.com/mvalet_officiel/status/1511449465781211141 https://twitter.com/mvalet_officiel/status/15114494657812111... https://twitter.com/sbovodaa/status/1511682808439312393 https://twitter.com/sbovodaa/status/1511682808439312393
    - forty 5y ago
      > In 2021, 1659 anti-religious acts were recorded in France, including 857 anti-Christian acts (52%), 589 anti-Semitic acts (36%) and 213 anti-Muslim acts (13%) Well Mr statistics, since you are offering, maybe you also the percentage of Christian/Jew/Muslim in France and, probably there are less Muslim than Christians which means they are more likely to be victims of anti religious acts? Was that your point? I'm not sure it's really worth discussing more, I'm not going to convince you you got brainwashed by populists, you are not going to make me become racist or xenophobic, so we are just losing time and energy :) Have a great rest of your day. I wish you to become less hateful in the future and to start loving all humans <3
- kergonath 5y ago
1337shadow 5y ago
> convicted for inciting racial hatred several times That's not even true. Source, liberal media: > Son avocat se plaît d’ailleurs à rappeler qu’il dénombre au total «seize dossiers de poursuites, dont une seule condamnation définitive» contre son client. Deepl: His lawyer likes to point out that he has a total of "sixteen prosecutions, of which only one is a final conviction" against his client. https://www.liberation.fr/checknews/combien-de-fois-eric-zemmour-a-t-il-deja-ete-condamne-20210908_2WQAJQ5Y5RGDZBN2LOKNJYJRIM/ https://www.liberation.fr/checknews/combien-de-fois-eric-zem... And for the first prosecution, he didn't appeal, see the other comment for the reason.
- smileybarry 5y ago
  Alright, so he was convicted for inciting racial hatred once, and prosecuted sixteen times.
  - 1337shadow 5y ago
    Because he didn't want to appeal because he wanted to take it as a medal of honnor, back 10 years before he was candidate when he was still a journalist.
laurent92 5y ago
Zemmour has been convicted for saying the truth.
- 1337shadow 5y ago
  Exactly why he would've won in appeal if only he had wanted to.

1337shadow 5y ago

You can't believe? Then why does even twitter admit it?? https://www.lefigaro.fr/medias/twitter-plusieurs-comptes-lies-a-eric-zemmour-et-marine-le-pen-suspendus-pendant-une-heure-20220304 https://www.lefigaro.fr/medias/twitter-plusieurs-comptes-lie... "By mistake", that's twitter's version of the story, so, there goes some new information for you, sorry if it's crushing your beliefs. As for the long story: EZ was convicted for saying that most insecurity comes from immigrants, which is actually true when you look at the Calonge file - you just have to be part of the police or work in defense to see it, and France forbids ethnical statistics so people can't be made aware publicly about that, except by syndicalist cops such as Bruno Attal. The conviction is purely political and EZ should have appealed but he was just a journalist at the time and preferred to consider this conviction a medal of honnor. Nonetheless, he didn't have twitter at the time, he has twitter since he's a candidate, and his account is completely clean, so is the GZ party's, but those were closed "by mistake" by twitter according to twitter itself, and since then, their content is systematically marked sensitive, for absolutely no reason.

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forty 5y ago
It is important not to confuse correlation and causation though (I mean even if your speculation that most insecurity* comes from immigrants was true). Also EZ have made it very clear that he doesn't have that much problems when immigrants are white and christian (even recently when discussing immigrants from Ukraine) so it's not like he is really hiding that everything he says about immigrants is really about non white and Muslim people. * Not exactly sure what insecurity means exactly. I feel it's often used to mean "the feeling ignorant people have when they see foreigners" in which case you might be right :)
- 1337shadow 5y ago
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- laurent92 5y ago
  EZ also made it clear that a French Muslim is French and he won’t touch them, so it’s not like he’s hiding that he’s targetting delinquants. Targetting delinquants is often seen as straight up racist, which kind of proves the point. EZ is the Muslims’ best opportunity to separate the good from the evils, because many Muslims in France would like the bad ones to be convicted, which the current system prevents. Macron has instaurated a system that can be summarized as “Let’s free all Muslim criminals”, which does a lot of torts to all of them.
- 1337shadow 5y ago
  > if your speculation that most insecurity* comes from immigrants was true > * Not exactly sure what insecurity means exactly. I feel it's often used to mean "the feeling ignorant people have when they see foreigners" in which case you might be right :) It's not a feeling, we have the data, it's just illegal to publish them in France because ethnical statistics are forbidden: https://youtu.be/2tCmyi62yH0?t=416 https://youtu.be/2tCmyi62yH0?t=416 In 2021, 1659 anti-religious acts were recorded in France, including 857 anti-Christian acts (52%), 589 anti-Semitic acts (36%) and 213 anti-Muslim acts (13%) https://www.vie-publique.fr/rapport/284641-les-actes-antireligieux-en-france https://www.vie-publique.fr/rapport/284641-les-actes-antirel... But yeah, go ahead and say we have a "feeling of insecurity because we are racist", I won't blame you, I've been doing the same for 15 years or so. Meanwhile, let me know if you want more data because I have tons. What, you want to talk demographics now ? ;) Criminals with double nationality must be removed from the country, that'll already be a great improvement. Hey Americans! Did you know police and firemen are assaulted every day somewhere in France? Here's for today https://twitter.com/mvalet_officiel/status/1511449465781211141 https://twitter.com/mvalet_officiel/status/15114494657812111... https://twitter.com/sbovodaa/status/1511682808439312393 https://twitter.com/sbovodaa/status/1511682808439312393
  - forty 5y ago
    > In 2021, 1659 anti-religious acts were recorded in France, including 857 anti-Christian acts (52%), 589 anti-Semitic acts (36%) and 213 anti-Muslim acts (13%) Well Mr statistics, since you are offering, maybe you also the percentage of Christian/Jew/Muslim in France and, probably there are less Muslim than Christians which means they are more likely to be victims of anti religious acts? Was that your point? I'm not sure it's really worth discussing more, I'm not going to convince you you got brainwashed by populists, you are not going to make me become racist or xenophobic, so we are just losing time and energy :) Have a great rest of your day. I wish you to become less hateful in the future and to start loving all humans <3
kergonath 5y ago

1337shadow 5y ago

> convicted for inciting racial hatred several times That's not even true. Source, liberal media: > Son avocat se plaît d’ailleurs à rappeler qu’il dénombre au total «seize dossiers de poursuites, dont une seule condamnation définitive» contre son client. Deepl: His lawyer likes to point out that he has a total of "sixteen prosecutions, of which only one is a final conviction" against his client. https://www.liberation.fr/checknews/combien-de-fois-eric-zemmour-a-t-il-deja-ete-condamne-20210908_2WQAJQ5Y5RGDZBN2LOKNJYJRIM/ https://www.liberation.fr/checknews/combien-de-fois-eric-zem... And for the first prosecution, he didn't appeal, see the other comment for the reason.

smileybarry 5y ago
Alright, so he was convicted for inciting racial hatred once, and prosecuted sixteen times.
- 1337shadow 5y ago
  Because he didn't want to appeal because he wanted to take it as a medal of honnor, back 10 years before he was candidate when he was still a journalist.

laurent92 5y ago

Zemmour has been convicted for saying the truth.

1337shadow 5y ago
Exactly why he would've won in appeal if only he had wanted to.